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HackBenjamin
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Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Jun 26, 2008 3:24am Post subject: SearchIRC Bans Noble Users |
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DevilDacay said:
| Quote: | | How come when SearchIRC users speak there mindmoderators like to come along such as Mary and take there accounts forno reason. |
/me has no opinion in the matter. |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 3:40am Post subject: |
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Voicing an opinion is one thing. Naming names (against the rules due to recent times when every 5th post on any given forum was "UserX flooded me!" and "UserY is DDoS'n me! helpz! waaah waah waah"), spamming your network (also against the rules due to people trying to dominate the latests posts section on the front page with their network), and generally being a royal pain in the ass (not heeding formal warnings from the moderators and admins, and generally requiring babysitting because of the insistance of breaking the rules) is quite another.
By all means, voice an opinion - but stick to the rules when doing so. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 3:46am Post subject: |
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| I'd have to agree with PingBad. If users were banned just for the act of voice their opinions to moderators, I'd be long gone. It's definitely an issue of how you voice your opinion I think. |
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Jobe
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Joined: 30 Jul 2006
Posts: 381
Location: Lurking in the shadows of some random channel!
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 3:50am Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | | I'd have to agree with PingBad. If users were banned just for the act of voice their opinions to moderators, I'd be long gone. It's definitely an issue of how you voice your opinion I think. |
As would I and like 99% of the other forum users too. |
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YoungMoneyCashMoney
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Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 4:22am Post subject: |
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| Funny thing is though i wasnt banned until after i voiced it. And until after people started to say i had a valid point. An i never spammed unless it was in the Network Announcments where i stated why. And the whole being flooded thing was in irchelp actually had the okay from you PingBad i asked him in a PM if the post was okay for that fourm and actually he gave me me the okay so wanna explane to me why? and want to explane after i emailed searchirc staff about 15 times iv gotten no reply? thats really mature of staff. Just because Mary got proved wrong and about 6 people told her she was wrong she takes the account? doesnt seem fair. The posts of being flooded were started about a week and ahalf ago and it wasnt until today that my account was taken after 4-5 people told her i had a valid point. thanks |
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YoungMoneyCashMoney
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 4:25am Post subject: |
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| PingBad wrote: | Voicing an opinion is one thing. Naming names (against the rules due to recent times when every 5th post on any given forum was "UserX flooded me!" and "UserY is DDoS'n me! helpz! waaah waah waah"), spamming your network (also against the rules due to people trying to dominate the latests posts section on the front page with their network), and generally being a royal pain in the ass (not heeding formal warnings from the moderators and admins, and generally requiring babysitting because of the insistance of breaking the rules) is quite another.
By all means, voice an opinion - but stick to the rules when doing so. |
Hmm never did i spam my network unless i said i was looking for IRCops Or Users To Help.
Also you stated voicing names i didn;t know it wasnt acceptable till after you told me and even after i showed u the next post i was going to post in PM and u said it was acceptable because i didnt state names i stated what was said. After the post was removed by Mary in PM you told me it was because people can make up logs. Witch i didnt but, Before i posted the post i got in trouble for you told me it looked fine. How come one staff member says one thing and another says another? AND on top of that its funny how Mary deleted the threads where she was stating names so its okay for staff to do it but if a user that has been here longer then her its not okay for? |
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YoungMoneyCashMoney
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Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 4:29am Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | | I'd have to agree with PingBad. If users were banned just for the act of voice their opinions to moderators, I'd be long gone. It's definitely an issue of how you voice your opinion I think. |
And honestly im going to say this the nicest way possible like mouselike stated in his one post witch was deleted by Mary due to unknown reasons if you were "mature" (take that how you want) You would worry about your own networks and stop thinking about mine. Reason your not gone is because you dont have your own thoughts iv looked at allmost all your posts and all i see is things like this.
| katsklaw wrote: | | I'd have to agree with PingBad |
| katsklaw wrote: | | I'd have to agree with Mary |
| katsklaw wrote: | | I'd have to agree with Jason |
Hmm Think that may be the reason your still around?
thank about it |
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Jason
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Location: Tampa, FL
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 5:13am Post subject: |
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Mary wouldn't have deleted your account. She asked me to deal with the situation because she was too busy with other stuff to continue with you.
I don't have time either, so my solution is short but sweet. If you cannot follow the forum rules, I'm not going to sit around and explain them to you yet again.
In fact, I'm debating removing the forums completely from this site, as it's been more of a hassle than it's worth. |
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YoungMoneyCashMoney
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 5:30am Post subject: |
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| Allrighty well could you atleast give me my account back? That way i dont have to go create a new one? And whats wrong with a good debate? |
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YoungMoneyCashMoney
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 5:32am Post subject: |
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| Plus there was nothing wrong with that debate until people started to say i was right how can half of searchirc be wrong? She could have taken a better step and admitted i was right then lock the fourm didnt need to get mad and delete the account i broke the rules by giving names over a week ago and the account was just removed after i proved my point? Doesnt seem a little weird? |
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greg27
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Joined: 07 Oct 2006
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Location: Australia
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 5:55am Post subject: |
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| you broke the rules, you got banned, get over it. also you might want to read up on forum etiquette somewhere. |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 6:14am Post subject: |
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| YoungMoneyCashMoney wrote: | | And the whole being flooded thing was in irchelp actually had the okay from you PingBad i asked him in a PM if the post was okay for that fourm and actually he gave me me the okay |
I did?
/me opens new tab and checks both inbox & outbox - no mention of "ok, you can break the rules now" | Quote: | | After the post was removed by Mary in PM you told me it was because people can make up logs |
Yes, logs are way too easy to doctor - so as a general rule of thumb, they have little to no value on these forums and are therefore useless as "proof" of anything. | Quote: | | An i never spammed unless it was in the Network Announcments where i stated why |
I've seen many posts of yours outside of Network Announcements stating (in essence) "hey it's John, visit my network irc.whatever.net!" (also going so far as to bold, italicize and underline the network name/address which, while cunning, is also distracting and beneath contempt). | Quote: | | and want to explane after i emailed searchirc staff about 15 times iv gotten no reply |
I check the Support Tickets daily - not once have I seen your email address pop up. I also check my @searchirc.com email address every 15 minutes (as Outlook is configured to do so, and every received email is brought to my instant attention; and, again, I'm yet to see one email from you). I will confirm one thing, you did raise a valid point over the rule breaking in a somewhat ancient thread via my PM inbox - I also replied to this point about how I could do nothing about the thread raised (due to a personal policy of not interfering with posts that have been made before I was promoted to moderator simply because they have been googled, archive.org'd and generally well known to those who have read them so editting the post[s] in question would have done no effect; hence my personal policy) | Quote: | | so its okay for staff to do it but if a user that has been here longer then her its not okay for? |
The no naming names rule was brought in May 26 2006 (at least, that's the date shown at my end due to my timezone). So the naming names that mary may or may not have done would likely have been made prior to the introduction of this rule therefore it does not backdate and apply to previous posts - it applied when it was announced; which brings me back to the point about not interfering with historical posts simply because the damage has already been done, altering it does not change anything.
By the way, how could you possibly be a member of these forums (much less this site) longer than the site co-founder? So unless your userid (an INT value) is 2.5 (which is impossible for an INT to have a decimal value), I doubt your claim. | Quote: | | Just because Mary got proved wrong and about 6 people told her she was wrong she takes the account? |
Wrong about what? got a post link?
Seriously, dude, this is how it was seen: You bring up a topic about a network flooding you - it shows to the rest of the users (over 90% of the active userbase being Server/Network administrators themselves) that you are incapable of handling the event internally, or that you're simply after sympathy. We (the mods and admins) pop along, read your fresh topic and, well, paint you with the same brush we would anyone else: no naming names (read: we removed your topic). When we'd painted you enough times that it was hard to tell the difference between a human and a half finished canvas piece, we issued a formal warning. You continued to carry on, comlpetely ignoring that warning.
When you were finally completely covered in paint due to your insistance on naming and shaming a network as well as shamelessly naming your own in the hopes of gaining users, your account was disabled/deleted. |
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Jason
SearchIRC Developer
Joined: 03 May 2003
Posts: 1221
Location: Tampa, FL
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| Posted: Jun 26, 2008 6:25am Post subject: |
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This thread is as useless as the other one. I'm going to close it because arguing about the merits of following the rules is not productive.
I'm not going to ban your new account for ban evasion, and as long as you do not break the rules, you will be in good standing here. |
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