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Joined: 20 Oct 2005
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 Posted: Nov 29, 2005 4:16pm Post subject: bahamut patch |
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| i look for a patch, my ircd is bahamut-1.8.3. And when someone doing me a whois the server notice me. like unrealircd |
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Eurus
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Joined: 04 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Jul 04, 2006 8:01am Post subject: |
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| Check out Solid-IRCd, it might have it built in. |
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Scire
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Joined: 14 Apr 2006
Posts: 84
Location: IRC
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]Daniel
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Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 317
Location: Boise, ID
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| Posted: Jul 05, 2006 10:37pm Post subject: |
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| Why the hell would you want that anyway? Why do people make it such a big deal to see when people whois you, I hate that and feel like its an invasion of our privacy. |
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Scire
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Joined: 14 Apr 2006
Posts: 84
Location: IRC
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| Posted: Jul 05, 2006 10:59pm Post subject: |
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| ]Daniel wrote: | | Why the hell would you want that anyway? Why do people make it such a big deal to see when people whois you, I hate that and feel like its an invasion of our privacy. |
Being notified of a whois is no more of a 'privacy invasion' than doing it to someone in the first place imho.
/off-topic rant
Ive noticed the word 'privacy' thrown around a lot as an excuse to limit the 'power' a Network admin or IRCOP has -- less we forget why IRCOP's and Netadmins need these rights on the network is to safeguard its stability in the first place. Yes 'power' can be abused but it can also be used to protect stability, eliminate spammers, flooders, clone and DDos attacts, ect ..
People should stop worrying how much 'power' those in IRCOP or higher positions can wield and decide on what networks they are going to be apart of based on how those IRCOPs wield that 'power'.
I swear if I read one more thread that says 'Unreal is a bad IRCd because it has to much oper powers' I am going to shoot myself, its not the IRCd its the admins -- and ANY yes ANY IRCd can be made to be abusive if run by abusive staff.
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magpie
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Joined: 18 Jan 2004
Posts: 454
Location: Essex, UK
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| Posted: Jul 06, 2006 4:07am Post subject: |
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There's absolutely no use knowing when somebody performs a WHOIS on you, and will probably just result in more useless opers killing people with crap like "don't WHOIS me".
I also think there is a difference in the level of "privacy invasion" between a simple WHOIS and being notified of a WHOIS. After all, if you're worried about privacy of certain channels you own all you have to do is set a channel mode and the problem is solved. This is like getting notified when somebody google's you, or looks you up in a phone book.
EDIT: At first glance that patch also looks awful. No flood protection whatsoever. |
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]Daniel
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Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 317
Location: Boise, ID
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| Posted: Jul 06, 2006 9:09am Post subject: |
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| Ok im sorry, I did put that out wrong, but whois notices are the most stupid unrealircd related feature there is. I mean, Why would you need to know when someone whois's you? Does it cause gain to the user or oper, other than the fact that the oper can now send a stupid "omgz you whois'd me, thats #### times". Or in what you just said, to kill another user with "dont whois me". Even when I opered on Unreal network's, I still turned umode -W. No point in it really. |
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FuRiOuS
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Joined: 01 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Jul 06, 2006 9:26am Post subject: |
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| Then if there's no point in it, and you don't use it be quiet. Some people like the user mode. Don't wanna use it don't. IRCd's are all different becasue different people want different things not just so a few select people are happy. And as pointed out already, it's not the IRCd that's abusive it's the opers etc. Once again, a kill with don't whois me, isn't the IRCd being abusive, it's the opers. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Jul 07, 2006 4:33pm Post subject: |
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| FuRiOuS wrote: | | Then if there's no point in it, and you don't use it be quiet. |
NO! This forum is here for the purpose of discussing/debating (notice I didn't say arguing) about just such a thing! ..
If you want to demand someone to supress their posts .. please aim it at those that waste this forums resources blogging on these stupid, completely unrelated topics that seem to linger for months and have thousands of views and hundreds of pages of stupid crap in them.
Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Umode +W does nothing at all except give people something else to kick/kill/akick/akill for. Ok, so what .. user1 whois'ed you .. if you're that paranoid .. /quit. Period!
Lets look at this from a technical point. /whois output comes from the SERVER not the user directly. So who cares if user1 wants to /whois oper12 5000 times an hour?!?! It has no effect on oper12 what-so-ever. All user1 is doing is filling up their own sendQ. Which sendQ will fill up long before the user is remotely close to wasting server resources.
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Once again, a kill with don't whois me, isn't the IRCd being abusive, it's the opers. |
This is true, however by having a completely pointless ability available in the first place is adding yet another temptation for a bored oper to abuse. Lets face it, a loaded gun in the hands of the average 10 year old still isn't the guns fault if someone is killed, but it's not the smartest thing to do either now is it??
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People should stop worrying how much 'power' those in IRCOP or higher positions can wield and decide on what networks they are going to be apart of based on how those IRCOPs wield that 'power'.
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It is ultimately the resposibility of the network administration if oper abuse occurs .. not the oper that commited it. By not having stupid features and abilities, you have less of a chance that the abuse will ever take place.
Sure, pick your opers wisely, but there is no one here that can control what other opers do on their net while the "bosses" are afk other than remove those commands that can be abused easily, especially those that serve no purpose what-so-ever and umode +W is a poster child for such a feature. |
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paulmer2003
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| Posted: Jul 09, 2006 8:06pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I dont think there is anything 'wrong' with server ops being able to see if they are whoised, its just kind of silly. Who cares.
I have even been on some networks that the net admins will kill (and gline) you for WHOIS'ing them. Thats unreal for yah. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Jul 09, 2006 9:17pm Post subject: |
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| paulmer2003 wrote: | Personally, I dont think there is anything 'wrong' with server ops being able to see if they are whoised, its just kind of silly. Who cares.
I have even been on some networks that the net admins will kill (and gline) you for WHOIS'ing them. Thats unreal for yah. |
glining for something that is harmless is what wrong with it. and Unreal isn't the only ircd with umode +W. |
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SebasMiles
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| Posted: Jul 10, 2006 8:45am Post subject: |
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Why do people get all riled up about this anyways. Its called a "feature" not an obligation. If you dont like it then disable it, if people are glining on whois then either control your oper, umode him or if youre a user leave, because its a sign of a much bigger problem.
Personally as a newbie I liked to whois opers and see what their responce notices were, some were funny, others werent.
Personally I do have a use for whois notice, as a services admin I can keep track of who may need help when they whois me. It shows that I am around and helping out, often I scare the poor guy....
Just because it is useless to you, doesnt mean its useless to everyone, disable it if you dont like it. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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| SebasMiles wrote: | | Why do people get all riled up about this anyways. Its called a "feature" not an obligation. |
I'm "riled up" as you put it because, as a user, i'm sick and tired of getting kicked/akicked/killed/akill/glined from the ever growing number of networks, servers and now chanels since normal users can set +W on some nets! So from the users stand point .. it NOT an option. In the last 12 months I've been banned, kicked and killed more times for performing the /whois command than I have collectively for every other reason over the last decade!
Sure, it's cool to say "if you don't like the nets policies, don't go back". However, this is becoming not just a few networks .. but scores of networks have these idiots with IRC scripts that do such abusive things over something as innocent as a /whois. All of this for what? .. the very slim off chance that 1 person might actually want to talk to you?!?!?! If so guess what?! ... IF they want to talk to you or need your help .. they will friggin ask!! Believe me .. I lost count of the number of times I've had to set myself as away so I can have some peace and quiet from users asking me for help and sometimes /away messages don't stop users from messaging IRCops either. It's happened long before umode +W and will continue to happen with or without it.
IMO, the user has the RIGHT to /whois opers/chanops to insure they know who they are talking to .. to insure the IRCop/chanop isn't away or been idle for hours and hours before wasting their time messaging their issues to them. |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| I admit that I have a script that reacts to the likes of usermodes +W/+E, but then again, all it does is just reply with a funny notice and let me know that someone's after me attention... nothing harmful in anyway |
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tZers
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| Posted: Jul 11, 2006 6:12am Post subject: |
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| Just Use Unreal |
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