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Jason
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Joined: 03 May 2003
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Location: Tampa, FL
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 Posted: May 23, 2006 6:22pm Post subject: New forum rule |
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People posting about userX text flooding a channel is getting old. No one needs to hear about it - so from this point on we have a no naming names rule in effect.
No naming names:
This site isn't here for you to complain about others. No one cares if someone flooded your channel. If you have something constructive to say (such as how to prevent an attack), feel free to post, but don't post names or ip addresses. |
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FBI
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Joined: 19 Aug 2005
Posts: 1494
Location: Federation Of Bored IRC'ers
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| Posted: May 23, 2006 6:35pm Post subject: Re: New forum rule |
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| Jason wrote: | People posting about userX text flooding a channel is getting old. No one needs to hear about it - so from this point on we have a no naming names rule in effect.
No naming names:
This site isn't here for you to complain about others. No one cares if someone flooded your channel. If you have something constructive to say (such as how to prevent an attack), feel free to post, but don't post names or ip addresses. |
Nice change Jason...that'll cut down the locks and topics deleted |
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lagmaster
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| Posted: May 23, 2006 11:54pm Post subject: |
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| yes i fully agree, irc admins should really act respectable on here, afterall they advertise on here. what good is it gona be for you when people who wish to link/visit find a topic that is locked in here? |
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FuRiOuS
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| Posted: May 24, 2006 5:24am Post subject: |
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Personally I think that this is great news. I'm tired of the personal attacks that go back and forth between people. Hopefully this will help to stop that behavior.  |
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Jason
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Location: Tampa, FL
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| Posted: May 24, 2006 7:39am Post subject: |
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I've also closed down all the network comments by default. Individual networks can reopen them if they wish (in the control panel).
I'm thinking about giving the networks administrative access to delete posts. Allowing people free roam to post anything they want has resulted in people using it to air dirty laundry and bitch about everything under the sun.
The goal was to give users a way to provide feedback and reviews about networks, but that clearly isn't working. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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| Posted: May 24, 2006 6:32pm Post subject: |
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| Jason wrote: | | [...] I'm thinking about giving the networks administrative access to delete posts. [...] |
IMHO, this will just make it so the net admins of that net can delete any factual negative feedback, and keeps only the feedback that they desire to keep. In essence making the reviews biased in the net admins favor.
Perhaps a type of "karma" vote .. say a thumbs up or a thumbs down system would work better. Limiting the amount of karma votes a user can cast in a specified timeframe or limiting 1 vote per net per user would be an option as well as limiting voting to registered users to help reduce wasting resources. This way "bitching" is removed, users can still express a (dis)like and net admins can't affect the way the outside world sees their network. |
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Jason
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| Posted: May 24, 2006 8:18pm Post subject: |
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That is true, and exactly why it took this long for us to make a change.
I plan on something that will help give a user ranking system and will make posts appear based on a rating system and feedback system. But such a system is going to be fairly complex and I will put it into the forum before it's used anywhere else.
At the rate I'm going, it will be a while before i can even get the new forum up. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: May 24, 2006 8:26pm Post subject: |
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well phpbb has a karma hack system already found at:
http://www.phpbbhacks.com/download/117
Perhaps it can be useful to you and save you a few lines. |
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SkaterStuff
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| Posted: May 24, 2006 10:19pm Post subject: |
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it would be easy for him yes.. but he is coding his own forum and that means alot of work has to get dont. like recoding all cp and re coding the networks info so it works with the forum.. its just not likek uploading a few files and adding a line or 2.
so give him sometime to get the new forum up and he may or maynot have the karma thing up right away but im sure he will have something in the making. |
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FuRiOuS
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| Posted: May 25, 2006 6:17am Post subject: |
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| SkaterStuff wrote: |
it would be easy for him yes.. but he is coding his own forum and that means alot of work has to get dont. like recoding all cp and re coding the networks info so it works with the forum.. its just not likek uploading a few files and adding a line or 2.
so give him sometime to get the new forum up and he may or maynot have the karma thing up right away but im sure he will have something in the making. |
I'm pretty sure katsklaw knows what's involved in the process. They were just making a suggestion on something to perhaps help save Jason some time and have to write maybe a few lines less. Maybe he'll use it, maybe he won't, hell he might look at it and become inspired by something better from it. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: May 25, 2006 2:21pm Post subject: |
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| FuRiOuS is right ... I do know what's in the process. I happen to be a scripter and learning to code myself. Having an already finished example can help structure or inspire ones own work. Since the current forum is a modified version of phpbb and phpbb has the karma code written by someone else, it may make Jason's task a bit easier by providing such an example. |
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chasingsol
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Joined: 23 Apr 2005
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| Posted: May 26, 2006 8:04pm Post subject: |
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Regarding the disabling of the network comments section. Completely agree that it many times turns in to a flame war. Having said that of course, it's also useful information.. more comments seems to have indicated more problems with a network, though not always. Allowing the deletion of posts would be counterproductive to the entire community aspect, although the ability to enable/disable would be by network choice.
I've already enabled mine, I believe in taking criticism at face value and working towards resolving any conflicts. It's hard enough to keep chatters on an IRC network (especially a decent sized one like mine where file serving channels and botnet homes are expressly forbidden).
Nothing to hide or be afraid of? Enable it again.
Regards,
chasingsol
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katsklaw
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| Posted: May 28, 2006 7:38am Post subject: |
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Nothing to hide or be afraid of? Enable it again.
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I don't see it as such an absolute as one or the other. Personally, I believe that there are always at least 2 sides to a story and none of them are 100% truth. Therefore to find the truth there has to be a discussion/debate ... etc .. On many occasions a reason a person may like or dislike a network is based on a bias opinion that may only be true for a small handful of others. Example, "I don't like XYZ net because the staff are rude". Well Rude is a very relative term. Every person on this planet is rude to at least on other. Does that make us all rude people? Of course not, but it can easily start an argument. It's a proven fact that if 10 witnesses see an accident, you will have at least 5 different storyies. this is caused by different points of view.
By using a voting system, you remove the arguing and you still get a rating. If your network gets a large number of votes and your rating remains high .. then your doing something right and you have proved it to the general masses without a single argument.
nothing to hide, nor am I affraid ... however it's still disabled. |
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FuRiOuS
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Joined: 01 Feb 2006
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| Posted: May 28, 2006 7:48am Post subject: |
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| I left mine disabled, because I saw from skimming over other networks how ugly they could get. I don't like chaos and controversy on my network, and will do my best to stop it quickly. While the network page here isn't directly mine, it does reflect my network as well. So while there is fights there, it might lead people to think that's how my network itself is. Not the image I want. |
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