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Vorex
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 Posted: May 08, 2006 7:01pm Post subject: Abducted Unreal Released |
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Abducted Unreal
We have been playing with unreal for awhile now and finally made something public, give it a whirl @ irc.abducted.us #abducted
Current Features:
Opers can override virtually anything -- without any extra steps (ie no /invite)
Added Staff Flag
Virtually complete protection with umode +q (can't be killed, kicked, etc, etc)
Readded +I (Invisability)
U:lines can distribute O:lines (ULOper) -- We have a module for our services so you can identify and get oper'd
+Y Net Admin Only
+X Senior Staff Only
and alot more stuff that we forgot to document
More information and download links for Abducted Unreal can be found at: http://dev.abducted.us/index.php?title=Abducted_Unreal
We have many other ongoing projects you can see at our dev site, http://dev.abducted.us
Let us know if you have any ideas for more features! |
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FBI
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| Posted: May 08, 2006 7:43pm Post subject: |
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How about a Oper Logging Module?
Nice work 
Its about time someone have a modfited unreal IRCD with services and more fun games and such |
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FuRiOuS
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| Posted: May 08, 2006 8:23pm Post subject: |
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I'm setting up a playground with it now, this sounds really cool though, depending on how well it works we might be switching.  I'll post later with more details on it lol. |
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Willaim
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So you pretty much put every abuse thing back into it? That's ok as long as you warn your users they have basically no rights/privacy. heh. I guess hence the name?
Anyways, good luck. |
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FuRiOuS
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| Posted: May 09, 2006 7:33am Post subject: |
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| Willaim wrote: | So you pretty much put every abuse thing back into it? That's ok as long as you warn your users they have basically no rights/privacy. heh. I guess hence the name?
Anyways, good luck. |
Not everything is abusive. Ops should have the ability to override everything. Whether or not they exercise that power is left up to the policy of that network, as well as the circumstances as they are for each situation. It's all in the training of Staff and ensuring they know when and if certain behavior is appropriate. |
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GeniusDex
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| Posted: May 09, 2006 8:55am Post subject: |
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| FuRiOuS wrote: |
Not everything is abusive. Ops should have the ability to override everything. Whether or not they exercise that power is left up to the policy of that network, as well as the circumstances as they are for each situation. It's all in the training of Staff and ensuring they know when and if certain behavior is appropriate. |
The without any extra steps part is the issue. This means someone being an oper can just join a channel, and he will never know before hand if he was allowed to join that channel or not. Basically this makes opers unable to behave like normal chatters in between playing oper... |
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Scire
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| Posted: May 09, 2006 10:05am Post subject: |
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 Its the old issue of should they or should they not have 'the power' .. guess both camps are still in place, thats one of the main things that lead to the great split back in '96 which created EFNet/IRCnet
My opinion is ... complicated  |
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nenolod
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| Posted: May 09, 2006 11:50am Post subject: |
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I've noticed that nobody has said the obvious thus far, so:
I thought we moved on from abusive respect-killing features like +I a long time ago.
Shame on you for reimplementing +I. That's all I believe needs to be said on that topic.
As for:
| FuRiOuS wrote: | | Willaim wrote: | So you pretty much put every abuse thing back into it? That's ok as long as you warn your users they have basically no rights/privacy. heh. I guess hence the name?
Anyways, good luck. |
Not everything is abusive. Ops should have the ability to override everything. Whether or not they exercise that power is left up to the policy of that network, as well as the circumstances as they are for each situation. It's all in the training of Staff and ensuring they know when and if certain behavior is appropriate. |
I seriously have nothing to say. If it looks like a sheep and goes baa like a sheep, then I guess, it's a sheep!
There's a lot of sheep surrounding that family of IRCds already, so I honestly cannot say I'm too surprised with the fact that there is still a subsection of the Unreal community that is happily embracing such abusiveness and attacking those who point out that the featureset of +abducted takes the abuse to levels we had moved on from.
Man, can't you people just leave the abuse features to die already? You could easily do more productive things that your users would be greatful for instead.
- nenolod |
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Alek
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| Posted: May 09, 2006 1:19pm Post subject: |
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I know its an cliche, but features aren't abusive, opers are. If an oper really wanted to spy on all the actions of his/her network, having or not having +I isn't gonna change anything. I'm kinda in agreement with genius about the join without invite part, but never really had a problem either way.
Still, thinking your rights are somehow protected if you are on ircd without a feature like +I or that they are abbridged on an ircd with something like +I is just silly, the key is to connect to networks with oper staff that you trust. (Yes, +I can be used to spy on users, but of course so can services running in debug mode) |
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mouselike
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| Posted: May 09, 2006 1:32pm Post subject: |
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| FuRiOuS wrote: | | Willaim wrote: | So you pretty much put every abuse thing back into it? That's ok as long as you warn your users they have basically no rights/privacy. heh. I guess hence the name?
Anyways, good luck. |
Not everything is abusive. Ops should have the ability to override everything. Whether or not they exercise that power is left up to the policy of that network, as well as the circumstances as they are for each situation. It's all in the training of Staff and ensuring they know when and if certain behavior is appropriate. |
This ircd has completely taken away the funamentals of what an ircd and irc should be, opers power should be to kick, kill, squit, rehash, die and connect, anything else should be either via services or oper flags, +I is just a contribution towards abusive ircds which unreal ircd gladly stepped away from.
Unreal at one point was a receipe for disaster with +I, they removed it and became a good ircd, as nenolod said shame on you for putting this back in. |
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Vorex
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| Posted: May 09, 2006 4:56pm Post subject: |
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| Narrowminded people. |
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katsklaw
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| Vorex wrote: | | Narrowminded people. |
Personally I see it as privacy minded people. I can't see why anyone would actually like to chat on a network where IRCops have unlimited powers/access/privledge. Especially when said opers can be in a channel founders channel and not even know it! Correct me if I'm wrong but the purpose of ChanServ is to reserve OWNERSHIP of a channel to the founder ... IMO you will not see many non-n00b users on your net nor many non-abusive opers.
Can you imagine the chaos created if cops were allowed to do anything?! even hide in your house and spy on you or just kick the door in at dinner time? ..
FYI, the term "playground" doesn't appear anywhere in any IRC related RFC .. .and that's exactlly what your ircd is .... a playground.
Good Luck though.
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Bassguy
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| Alek wrote: | I know its an cliche, but features aren't abusive, opers are. If an oper really wanted to spy on all the actions of his/her network, having or not having +I isn't gonna change anything. I'm kinda in agreement with genius about the join without invite part, but never really had a problem either way.
Still, thinking your rights are somehow protected if you are on ircd without a feature like +I or that they are abbridged on an ircd with something like +I is just silly, the key is to connect to networks with oper staff that you trust. (Yes, +I can be used to spy on users, but of course so can services running in debug mode) |
I agree, Alek. Opers spying on me is the least of my worries. |
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braindigitalis
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Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Give an admin these facilities and they will abuse them, no matter how well intentioned they are. |
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DeMiNe0
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Are you all forced to use this IRCD? No.
Are you all forced to connect to a network that uses this IRCd? No.
Who cares if he puts +I back in? I sure as hell don't.
Don't like it? Don't use it.
Abducted released something to the community for other users to use on there own. If you don't like it, don't use it, and don't connect to a network that is using it. |
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