~ and & - good? bad? indifferent?

Justin Snelgrove · none Joined: 02 Aug 2005 Posts: 1

~ and & prefixes (for +q and +a) seem to be becoming more and more common on smaller IRC networks... I was wondering what the general opinion on these was. Are they a good thing? A bad thing? Don't care either way?

I know some clients (particularly smaller or older clients) have problems with them, and I've run into these problems myself on several clients for embedded devices (like Palm or Qtopia), and even several still-being-developed OSX clients.

So, what's the general consensus?

PingBad · Guru Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 2098 Location: New Zealand

In my opinion, we have the channel hierachy of +h -> +o -> +a -> +q, might as well have prefixes to suit 'em...

v3|0c17y · Eleet Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 650

I preffer ~ n & prefixes, tho someimes I have problems with em using clients like BX and irssi on my *nix systems

SATAN-HHH · Eleet Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 860 Location: Texas

Arent necissarily a bad thing, just still odd to me. Guess I grew up more on the bahamut type with just +ov so all those other modes are a little unormal in my eyes. They aren't all that bad though.

v3|0c17y · Eleet Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 650

I'm used to unreal It's my fav daemon so far and somewhat find those modes very useful

MediaDriven · none Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 18

On my server, we just use the standard: +, %, @ (@ being symbols for AOp and higher)

w00t · Posted: Aug 08, 2005 2:20am Post subject:

Personally I'm no fan of the extra prefixes. The modes aren't standard, and neither are the prefixes.. plus they just look weird imo :p

lagmaster · Lurker Joined: 06 Nov 2004 Posts: 116

they look good in a well structured room, if you see someone active from every rank. & (super op) is handy because they cant kick each other. saves on abuse like normal op mode. halfop gives you basic things to the channel but restricts you on most.

so yeah, it's a good thing if used right

magpie · Idler Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 454 Location: Essex, UK

Not giving channel operator status to morons also saves on abuse, and doesn't require a plethora of new modes.

Pig · none Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Posts: 16

what magpie said. although because people op idiots & and ~ are needed to help provent takeovers and stuff. if you give & and ~ to stupid untrustworthy people then you have the same problem as opping everyone (with @).

toenie · none Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 25

I don't care. But it can be irritating. I prefer @, % and +. I don't have any problems with & or ~, but i've disabled on my network, because when you give a chatter +q, he will be still protected, without any prefix.
And at second, some javaapplets doesn't know that modes, and that may give some problems.

Sorry for my bad English Wink

w00t · Posted: Aug 14, 2005 6:58pm Post subject:

Exactly :p
(oh, and hi magpie! didn't know you still lurked here Smile

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magpie · Idler Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 454 Location: Essex, UK

Hi. Yeah, I still lurk occasionally. Much less involved with IRC these days though.

braindigitalis · Idler Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 443 Location: IRC

In my opinion they are bad. Here is the reason why:

When you have prefixes for +a and +q, they are mutually exclusive. They become another level directly above +o, +a and +q indirectly infer +o. As well as breaking some clients, this can restrict the granularity of control you can give to your users.

For example, if you want to give someone both +h and +a (yes i've had need for this) to make them halfop, but protect them from kicks and dehalfops... or if you just want to make someone +a to protect them from kicks (nothing more) then this is impossible, because as soon as you give +a, they get ops. You might want to protect someone *without* giving them ops too, especially in the case of bots, etc.

This is why unreal gives the option of choosing between prefixes and no prefixes, amongst the fact that some clients do not support it. I would like to point out that many channel bots (e.g. eggdrop) do not support prefix_aq, because to them, +o is +o, if you give someone +a, they do not no that that also means they have the +o too Smile

Hope this explains my reasoning Very Happy

v3|0c17y · Eleet Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 650

well said brain, totally agree Smile