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djcrash
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Joined: 07 Jun 2004
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| Unfortunately, there are people who see IRC as strictly for trading files under the radar of organizations like the RIAA. To these people IRC networks that don't allow warez channels are pointless and that is the reason there are so many IRC networks allowing warez, they do it purely to 1) stay online and 2) to get more users. We need to all work together to ban warez from IRC as a whole, only when we all cooperate will we be able to rid us of this problem. |
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Eleet
Joined: 06 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Jun 18, 2004 10:47am Post subject: |
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But that's not going to happen because these days Warez is too strong a audience on IRC. If the problem was stopped as soon as it started we would have a much nicer IRC world in my opinion.
CHAT RULES!
WAREZ ON IRC SuX0rZ! :oP |
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sliq
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Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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Location: IRC
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| Posted: Jun 18, 2004 4:58pm Post subject: |
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damn straight!  |
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dyjytyl
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| Quote: | | Why do we bother, there are so many nasty people on IRC all we want to do is run some nice networks and have fun in a peaceful IRC enviroment, is that too much to ask these days? |
I don't know what else to tell you.. "welcome to reality" perhaps? Look, there's gonna be nasty people no matter where you go or what you do. Doesn't mean you have to give up your cause. They win the day you give up and walk away from your efforts.
This is going off topic quite a bit, but warez is an emerging trend. It's the whole idea of the filesharing boom. Now that people know how to share, they're willing to do that because it's so easy and it's free. If you want to keep people like that away from your network, and thus prevent DDOS/DOS attacks, then it is YOUR responsibility as an administrator to ENFORCE the rules. It doesn't matter if users don't see the motd, or even if they refuse to obey the rules in it. That's irrelevant. What matters is that you follow through with what you say you're going to do. If you say in that motd that warez is not allowed and it will be punished, the second a user complains to you about a warez channel or the second you type /list warez and a channel pops up, you better be all over that before it grows into a bigger problem. You can't just sit back and expect users to just completely fall in love with your rules, it's not going to happen. Train your staff and be on your guard.
Does anyone have anything legitimate to say about the original purpose of the topic? I'd like to hear the other side to see why a dedicated single-process server is needed to link to a small network... |
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sliq
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| Posted: Jun 24, 2004 2:33pm Post subject: just works |
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Well, you know my feeling about it and agree, i'm just commenting cuz i set that e-mail on reply thing or whatever cuz this is a fun thread.. POST PEOPLE! 
dyjytyl, what net do you hang out on, i'd love to talk to you. |
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dyjytyl
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| Posted: Jun 25, 2004 6:06pm Post subject: |
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| You can reach me at webmaster@dyjytyl.com . I can't spam any networks or web sites on here |
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animesoup
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Location: hiding in j00r closet
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I have no linking rules. I dont say we do, nor dont accept anything.
I run a very small network. Quality over quantity. I don't care how big we get. Hell, I run a wIRCd for christs sake (it works to my advantage. . a wIRCd drives people away.. Even though my uptime has been 13 days, and thats only because I had a power line go down down the street from me). I dislike linking, I dont like getting up and going to the server room to add someone's O:Line or add their link block. I hate n00bs who used to come on and bug me to link or give them an O:Line. Thats why I removed all my policies on linking, thats why I still run a wIRCd, thats why I'm running a Linux box while my network has its own wIRCd to itself)
I don't link unless a.) They have a static IP, b.) they have a decant connection (im not asking for a T1, but at LEAST dsl or cable), c.) I can verify that they aren't morons. I do a per-user decision. If their specs are OK, and they hang around my network for a while and I know they arent mentally ill, they can usually link up.
I never understood small networks and how they do their links. I may run a wIRCd, but the only time I have ever had downtime with it was due to power failures (we have a lot of storms here.. I'm in the boondox)
You can easily draw away IRC server linking n00bs by sending them to a paypal site and telling them to donate at least $20 before they can link their server 
Works for me Thats the DNet way  |
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Ashen
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| Posted: Jun 27, 2004 2:09pm Post subject: |
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You say you have no linking rules............ but later in your post you say that you usually accept / don't accept links if a.......b...........c......
maybe you have them, you just don't write them down as such?
You seem to have good policies though - yeah, there are too many new admins around nowadays that don't know their stuff.
I can see how you're reluctant to link - I was for a long while. Maybe you're only ready to link up when you find a network that suits you? |
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dyjytyl
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| Posted: Jul 02, 2004 11:33pm Post subject: |
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| point being: his policies are adapted to fit his needs as a small network. they are nowhere near the rules and policies of a larger network. any legitimate arguments here? |
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animesoup
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| Posted: Jul 03, 2004 4:09pm Post subject: |
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| Ashen wrote: | | You say you have no linking rules............ but later in your post you say that you usually accept / don't accept links if a.......b...........c...... |
Actually, those are more along the lines of being an idea. These aren't really mandatory, but if someone wants to link with my network, they'll have a much higher chance if those are met.
Also, I have used the "paypal" trick a few times, it works like a charm.
I even told it to the owner of MIXXNet, he loves that idea. |
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| Posted: Jul 16, 2004 2:44am Post subject: |
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| braindigitalis wrote: | You should check out our linking policies which are designed in such a way as to establish a bond of trust between admins and newcomers.
http://www.chatspike.net/?page=linking
after a spate of bad links these rules have been established and so far have resulted in good, reliable admins with stable boxes.
We don't insist that the machine be used only for the ircd process(es), however we do insist the box be dedicated.
This is done for many reasons. The first of these is, its one less person in a position of responsibility over the server. You know the admin of the box, as its the admin of the ircd. If someone has a shell account, you can't rely on the scruples of the box admin (unfortunately). Also, a person with administrative access to the machine has more bandwidth/data transfer available to them and is less likely to be cut off from their provider if DDOS occurs (which we have to admit on all irc networks, it does at some point) and because a user who is root has access to configure firewall rules using iptables or ipfwadm etc. One of our admins even has access to the router which connects his network to the internet and if required could even implement router policies to eat a DDOS.
We are not a 'large' network (approx 2200 users peak) but we do think big at all times, because growth on irc is generally unpredictable, and like businesses all irc networks must think towards the future at all times, lest they be lost in the past.
As mentioned in a previous post we also run other processes such as BOPM, which can eat a lot of ram with DNS caches. Imagine yourself as the admin of some (probably very cheap) freebsd based ircd hosting shell company (you know the sort, a box locked down beyond belief hosting 50 ircds on one box, where all users processes are hidden from each other so you dont know how overloaded the box really is) and seeing a 50mb bin/bopm process running, your first instinct is to kill -9 it, then ask questions later. If the owner of the box is the irc admin of the server, they will have been trained not to do this 
Also as previously stated administrating a remote machine takes much more linux/freebsd knowledge than just owning a shell account. Anyone with a day of experience can compile an ircd to a shell account but successfully securing and keeping a whole box running is a completley different kettle of fish.
Just my two pence worth :p
Thanks,
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| animesoup wrote: | I have no linking rules. I dont say we do, nor dont accept anything.
I run a very small network. Quality over quantity. I don't care how big we get. Hell, I run a wIRCd for christs sake (it works to my advantage. . a wIRCd drives people away.. Even though my uptime has been 13 days, and thats only because I had a power line go down down the street from me). I dislike linking, I dont like getting up and going to the server room to add someone's O:Line or add their link block. I hate n00bs who used to come on and bug me to link or give them an O:Line. Thats why I removed all my policies on linking, thats why I still run a wIRCd, thats why I'm running a Linux box while my network has its own wIRCd to itself)
I don't link unless a.) They have a static IP, b.) they have a decant connection (im not asking for a T1, but at LEAST dsl or cable), c.) I can verify that they aren't morons. I do a per-user decision. If their specs are OK, and they hang around my network for a while and I know they arent mentally ill, they can usually link up.
I never understood small networks and how they do their links. I may run a wIRCd, but the only time I have ever had downtime with it was due to power failures (we have a lot of storms here.. I'm in the boondox)
You can easily draw away IRC server linking n00bs by sending them to a paypal site and telling them to donate at least $20 before they can link their server
Works for me Thats the DNet way |
on top of all this i eat poo daily |
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w00t
Eleet
Joined: 09 Jun 2004
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Location: Nowra, Australia
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| We don't link anymore. Period. If we knew the owner, and they didnt have any users (providing we need the server) perhaps. But I certainly won't be approving any mergers. |
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