Stupid Question...

LIQUID_NiTrO · none Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 34

Most people will probably consider this an extremely newbish question, but after 3 years of being a global oper, I still cannot figure it out:

Why AKILL someone rather than G:LINE?
What's the difference?

uchat · Idler Joined: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 335

not all IRCd's support akill ... not all support G:Lines ... but they both are still network bans.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Akill is normally a services function, ie services will 'autokill' someone added to them.

Gline is the actual line used in the server that bans the person.

When services issues an autokill, it adds a gline to the server for that person.

uchat · Idler Joined: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 335

G:Lines are also added by Services bots at times.

G:Lines are global (which is what the G stands for) just as an akill is. Functionally there no difference between the 2 commands.

Guest · Posted: Apr 10, 2004 9:00pm Post subject:

Historically, AKILLs and G:lines were different. Some IRCds had AKILLs, some had G:lines. None really had both. AKILLs were pretty simplistic, global permanent bans. G:lines often offered more flexibility by specifying an expire time. Today, G:lines are pretty much all that are left. Sure, services has an AKILL command and most IRCds do as well, but internally it is just a G:line. In Unreal for example, when services sends an AKILL command it translates it to a G:line and sends the G:line out to every other server on the network rather than the AKILL. The AKILL/RAKILL commands are maintained only for backwards compatibility.

uchat · Idler Joined: 17 Mar 2004 Posts: 335

akills also supports an expire time and have for many years. So my statement that they are functionally the same remains. There is a few differences between the way they act. What differences there is, is nothing more than semantics. Long story short ... they are both a timed global ban.

You use past tense terms as if the AKILL is dead, and it is not. it survives as well as it always has. I've use both through my many years and I have found that I like them both the same and have no preference as to which is better.

LIQUID_NiTrO · none Joined: 06 Apr 2004 Posts: 34

OK I was just wondering because in the IRC Abuse forum everyone always says "AKILL bots..." or "AKILL script kiddies..." etc etc rather than G:line...
just seems kinda odd to me i guess Confused

Julia · none Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 17

Akills are mostly services managed stuff (expiration times etc) its in DALnet style
G:line's are UnderNet style and expire time is measured by IRCD itself instead
of giving it to services.
My Network using both of them. Which one to prefer - let the opers choose, they mostly use G-Lines (i dont know why)

katsklaw · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1098

Ashen · Idler Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 285

I've been using akills for a long time, and I'm tempted towards gline for one simple reason : glines don't require as much to work.

Specifically, they work when services are split (rare, but happens) and they can be set by any oper of your choice, not just services (which is important, when you want to control oper access on a more fine-tuned level, and when you want to run something like a proxy killer, which works much better with glines then with akills).

-Ashen

Julia · none Joined: 30 Jun 2004 Posts: 17

Disagree about that akill need services Smile

there is old good /akill /rakill combo (DreamForge IRCD family)
It works (on some ircd modifications for server admins only) without services.
So its only matter of style as i said Cool

katsklaw · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1098

Ashen · Idler Joined: 05 Jan 2004 Posts: 285

glines don't require services to be online, or you to have services operator access.
akills do.

glines are also enforced by the ircd, so can be easily changed even when services are down.

This is why I prefer ircd-based glines....... they're the same amount of work to add (re-read my post, you misinterpreted it)..... but glines seem to me better because unlike akills your use of them can't be disrupted by services downtime. (I am aware of glines set by the services akill command, and count them as akills not glines, 'glines' to me are global klines set by the /gline command without the use of services).

-Ashen

katsklaw · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1098