Okay, so thanks for spidering my network..

ed · Posted: Feb 19, 2004 2:30pm Post subject:

The fact is, you CAN ban the spider. It uses a publically known hostname, which should be no problem for you (as an administrator) to ban. After a short amount of time of banning the bot, it will stop trying to connect.

Please do not continue on this pointless thread. Take the action to stop your listing and be done with it.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Set the akill, gline, whatever, Diego....

And move on with your life. Its just IRC for god sakes.

gtpnos · Newbie Joined: 05 Aug 2003 Posts: 67 Location: USA

Wow I remember reacting sort of the same way whenever I first found the SearchIRC robots crawling my network. I never requested them nor ever even heard of SearchIRC at the time and I complained about them, I was really wrong in asking for them to be taken away, they really are a great addition to any server from my point of view. When my network was smaller/new we had no java chat and SearchIRC provides that at no charge. I ended up pretty much begging for the SearchIRC robots to come back and they were nice enough to put them back to my network. Who turns down free publicity?
peace
gtpnos

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Yeah, well I just wonder if when someone comes onto his network and floods it, if he goes and whines about it or akills them Smile

Its a pretty easy fix, and SearchIRC respects it-if the bot is banned, they just don't connect it anymore.

I'm thinking he wanted someone to offer him some cheese with his whine Smile

Michael · none Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 48

As Jason and Mary have said, you will have to ban the bot if you don't want it. But, personally, I'd be happy for a service like this to start indexing my network, so long as they do similar to SearchIRC.

Ðiego · Guest

And once again the point of me talking to you at all: choice

I am not whining, I am attempting to let you know that your service will be more respectable if you bother to say hello to the administration of a network before you spider it.

The bot is banned as will be any member of searchirc who bothers to join and make themselves known, though I rather doubt they will seeing as they didn't when they spidered my network.

So again, choice. It is my choice whether to or not to have my network added to one search or another, a choice you removed from me when you spidered my network without taking the time to inform me. Your ignorance.

I choice I restored as soon as I found out about your activities. And again, good riddance..

One more time for the slow ones (are there any fast ones here??): your service should be opt-in, not opt-out. I should not have to ban your bot, I should have had a choice as to whether it was there or not in the first place. I should not have to clean you off my network.

Reiterate: your assumptions on my services is ignorant

Ð Mad

Ðiego · Guest

Oh, and on a further note..

Pierce · none Joined: 09 Feb 2004 Posts: 47

you obviosly have not read, that searchirc wont, and CANT spider your network without first being submitted, thus one of your admins, or one of your users on your network submitted that information, the logos have to be filled out manualy, (by submitting them to one of the staff).

you should relax a little you will live longer.

Pierce

Guest · Posted: Feb 20, 2004 9:52am Post subject:

Do I appear somehow stressed? Or as mregit implies, rude?

I'm annoyed, not stressed. Get it right. Annoyed that you feel you have the right to intrude on others without so much as saying hello. Annoyed that you feel you should be rude in response to someone not wishing to take part in your 'service'. I believe I have conducted myself, and presented my reaction to your 'service', quite collectively and calmly, even when I was being accused of being somewhat less than 'charming and personable'.

Upon finding my network on your service I used your 'Contact Us' page to ask it be removed. Having then noticed I did not list which network I am, I sent in second note, also through your contact page, to correct the error. At no time did I email you or anyone else.

I was then informed, in the first reply to my post here, of your IRC channel which, oddly enough, is nowhere mentioned on your site unless you actually search for it in the networks page.

And on that note, perhaps you should update your own listing? Or is it that you can't be bothered with that any more than you can be bothered to contact the admin team on any IRC network you add to your spider? Hmm?

Oh, and while we are on the subject, just what kind of loser networks are allowing you to list them when a single server with a single channel and 14 users ranks 946 out of 1,648 IRC networks? Higher than 42.66% of the networks your list? You rock..

ed · Posted: Feb 20, 2004 11:48am Post subject:

Mary · SearchIRC Admin Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 692

I think most readers will understand that even though 95% of our submissions appear to come from the network staff, there is no way for us to verify the person submitting the network webform is, in fact, the admin.

I am the person who visits networks when they are submitted to SearchIRC. I can tell you exactly how your network got listed.

It was submitted to us last May. The network description included bragging about being a large warez distributor, being able to get any mp3 or movie a user wanted, listing channels and names of individuals who were crackers and distributors, and telling the history of the network... in other words, something that would make the RIAA very very happy indeed. So, as I do for other networks who make similar claims, I left it as "information to come" and I went on to visit the network. signwatcher signwatcher@xtcp.net was listed as the admin. First visit, signwatcher was asleep. I spoke in message to someone who identified themselves as an IRC op who was not opered up. They were the only person awake in the channel. They were happy the network was submitted but didn't know anything about it. They said they would talk to signwatcher. I messaged signwatcher my email address to contact me if he had objections. The next night I visited again, again the admin was asleep, and this time so was everyone else. I visited again three days later at a different time of day, and again, no one was active. signwatcher never emailed me with objections.

About 50% of admins message ME when they see me doing a /whois on them - "Wow, you are here, great! When will our network be indexed?" But it may surprise you to know, not every admin sits on their network all day and night waiting for my visit. Some don't go on their networks at all. Others do not want their names listed as admin. I do not speak every language on the face of the earth, nor does every network in every corner of the globe use english. SearchIRC is not listing 40 networks any more. We have 1600+ and 50 more every week (not to mention all the mergers, closed networks and other things I must investigate). Eventually it came to a point where hunting admins simply took too much time. That's when Jason put contact info in the indexer, set up a FAQ, and said, make an attempt to talk to the admin, but don't jump through hoops or delay other submissions if you can't. IF I find an admin awake (or they find me) I talk to them. If not, then I move on to the next network in my list.

Frankly, I find it surprising that our indexer could visit your network 24 times every day for 10 months and not be noticed. I find it unusual that no one on the network noticed SearchIRC is listed by all of the major search engines in a search for your network and its channels. I find it odd that not one of the several thousand people who visited your website and network through SearchIRC ever mentioned our site.

But even if you knew all along and suddenly decided that you don't want the bot indexing your network, thats fine with us. Look, for all your yelling about big corporations being behind SearchIRC and raping people by advertsing, the TRUTH is, Jason made the site, including the search engine, and pays all expenses out of his own pocket. By the laws of his state he had to incorporate and cover his butt legally when he set up in 2000, but this project COSTS money. There is NO profit from it. There are several volunteers who help him with SearchIRC, and like most of the IRC world we don't get any pay at all (though some of us do get an o line on a 14 user "network"). Its NO skin off our nose if you don't want your channels promoted.

You don't need us to TELL you the IP of the bot. Every hour for the last ten months you got this notice: scrawl53 (irc@data.searchirc.org) Quit (Quit ([SearchIRC] Indexed X channels in X secs @ Feb 20th, 2004, 11:51 am))

There it is - go for it.

Instead, you keep posting on our forums and visiting our help channel, attacking SearchIRC and making the wildest accusations and rudest comments, and now REFUSE to ban the indexer.

Honestly, we have better things to do than entertain you.

Jason · Posted: Feb 20, 2004 1:33pm Post subject:

I find it a compliment that someone thinks that my site is so wildly successful that they think the only way the site looks this good and runs this well is if it's backed by huge corporation and makes a ton of money.

Diego, thank you for the heart felt compliments. I appreciate it.

PS: You still haven't banned the indexer. It's IP address is 69.57.128.132.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

You guys are alot more patient than me Smile

I would have told dude to stick it a long time ago Smile

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

I think what he means is he does not want his network listed in the networks section. I understand this because, since some servers do not have any drone protection and wish to stay "unlisted".

However, by attacking the webmaster(s) of this website, he only makes himself look amateurish.

Jason · Posted: Feb 20, 2004 7:41pm Post subject:

Keep in mind that once a network is not actively indexed, and we wipe the /links info, there is no longer any information on SearchIRC that tells you how to connect to the network.

The only thing I have to add to this discussion is that Diego's claim for wanting to be out of the sights of the RIAA must have been recently formed, because everything I'm seeing about him on google links him to a "napster clone" project and warez. Not exactly low key subject matter.