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sirkit
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Joined: 27 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Dec 31, 2007 2:54am Post subject: Network looking for links, scripters, programmers |
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| irc.cybersmash.net looking for links, scripters, programmers, chatters |
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Jobe
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Joined: 30 Jul 2006
Posts: 367
Location: Lurking in the shadows of some random channel!
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| Posted: Dec 31, 2007 6:54am Post subject: |
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| And as everyone asks and gets asked, what makes your network any different from any of the thousands already out there? |
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sirkit
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Location: eth0
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| Posted: Dec 31, 2007 7:04am Post subject: |
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we run charybdis and atheme, with ircz services...thats pretty different seeing as most people run unreal nowadays...
our networks full of people who've been on IRC since the mid 90's
our staff acts professional and we dont ban people from our network for personal reasons, all that jibber jabber..
mainly we're just good people, who are smart, and have been on IRC way too long. |
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Dec 31, 2007 12:06pm Post subject: |
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| sirkit wrote: | | we run charybdis and atheme, with ircz services... |
atheme and ircz services?!?!? I'm surprised you have 2 seperate services packages running side by side here, or have I misread your post?
Anywho, good luck, and happy irc'n  |
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mouselike
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Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Posts: 251
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| Posted: Dec 31, 2007 1:07pm Post subject: |
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| PingBad wrote: | | sirkit wrote: | | we run charybdis and atheme, with ircz services... |
atheme and ircz services?!?!? I'm surprised you have 2 seperate services packages running side by side here, or have I misread your post?
Anywho, good luck, and happy irc'n |
If its the ircz package i got then running them side by side of each other causes no problems at all.
Quite a nice network you got there, I maybe interested in providing a server and a chatter |
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Lord_Diablo
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Joined: 10 Sep 2007
Posts: 80
Location: Fairfield,CA
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| Posted: Jan 01, 2008 7:30pm Post subject: |
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| Umm yea. So your IRCd/Services is what makes a network unique now? I've always been curious, wtf makes an IRC network unique and worth chatting on? |
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ButtaKnife
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Joined: 26 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Jan 02, 2008 3:00pm Post subject: |
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| Lord_Diablo wrote: | | Umm yea. So your IRCd/Services is what makes a network unique now? I've always been curious, wtf makes an IRC network unique and worth chatting on? |
The IRCd and services can make a network unique if enough effort is put in to customize either piece of software to a network's needs. It would be difficult to argue that simply downloading and configuring an open-source IRCd or services daemon constitutes a unique network, regardless of which software you chose. On the other hand, a network that did custom programming work on an open-source services package to meet the specific needs of that network's userbase could consider that a unique aspect of the network. Even with customized services, a network would still have a hard time standing out as a "unique" network if that was the only thing the network was doing differently. |
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PingBad
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Jan 02, 2008 5:57pm Post subject: |
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| in my mind, try to find something that IRC as a whole needs - and very few (ie: less than 5% of the current network populus) networks offer, preferably something that no other network has. Then fill that need. Then, and only then, will you be unique. |
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mouselike
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PingBad, every network is unique. Just because network B runs the same as network D as does network E doent mean they arnt unique. Some networks you visit and get a very unapproachable welcome, then a network with exactly the same setup will have a nice welcome to you and let you fit right in... thats what makes a network unique not finding something that other networks dont offer i.e custom services, ircd commands etc.
To be quite honest id rather chat on a small friendly 100 user network with no services, laid back friendly opers than visit a network thats tried too hard to be unique from others that offer stupid pointless stuff to just try to be different.
The same thing can be said for unrealircd + anope networks... yes they are all the same and granted they bring no new features or stuff than any other of its counterparts, but then you look past the software and interact with the humans for uniqueness no the servers/services.
I (along with 2 other netadmins) run unreal + anpoe, but it isnt that attracts the users but the fact we can all have a laugh, we welcome new users and they return for that reason and is making us grow near the 2k mark, it aint our ircd software or services that makes them come back.
Though I do agree also with what you are saying and yes most users do take the look at the software before the users approach and would rather see something different which is quite sad to see irc go like this, but I do believe that the explosion in the amount of irc networks is partially to blame for this.
In conclusion (imho) if you want unique networks get to know the opers/users and channels first, then decide if the network is unique enough for you to stay and this network is quite simply unique i think. |
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PingBad
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| Posted: Jan 03, 2008 4:59pm Post subject: |
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I agree fully, mouselike. However, from the welcoming point of view that you have detailed, consider that for every "new" network that pops up on the SearchIRC radar there's bound to be at least 20 more that have exactly the same setup and staff approachability. | Quote: | | but I do believe that the explosion in the amount of irc networks is partially to blame for this. |
Yes, that is why I don't consider every network to be truly unique. Yes, I'll happily concede that they are unique in the sense of different staff, different users, But it's not different staff and different users that will convince me to /server <your DNS here>. |
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sirkit
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Joined: 27 Nov 2007
Posts: 63
Location: eth0
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| Posted: Jan 04, 2008 4:18am Post subject: |
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ircz services is a service is much like..secureserv so to speak i suppose..
it connects a drone for each channel, you need 1 for each channel, and they're also all joined in one channel which is used for a spam trap, it also scans clients during connect to see if they're a drone, and etc, the programming is jamie..its still in development however there should be a new release soon..he is on my network from time to time, and the project is on sourceforge...so i do believe you have misread or i mislead you
mouselike contact me on my network and we can talk.
also..the difference my software makes is
every oper is the same, Server Administrator
the only difference is if they have access to services or not.
Our software also doesnt use a HOp module,
simply because we dont believe in degrading people, much alike with
having every oper being a Server Administrator |
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PingBad
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| Posted: Jan 04, 2008 6:23am Post subject: |
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| a misread on my part, and thank you for your clarifications |
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sirkit
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Location: eth0
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| Posted: Jan 04, 2008 5:06pm Post subject: |
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| you're welcome |
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mouselike
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| Posted: Jan 05, 2008 5:36pm Post subject: |
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i have now linked to this network and my 1st impressions, very proffesional administration and the network is setup very well.
thanks to sirkit to the link and allowing irc.hoggeh.com to link |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Jan 06, 2008 5:35pm Post subject: |
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The same thing can be said for unrealircd + anope networks... yes they are all the same and granted they bring no new features or stuff than any other of its counterparts, but then you look past the software and interact with the humans for uniqueness no the servers/services.
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While you offer valid points, I'd like to add that software can make a huge difference. You say look past it however that requires an effort that is based on a willingness to try. While both unreal and anope are modular. there comes a point when it's all mudane.
Imagine if you will an entire city of cars, all of them are green. After a while it doesn't matter who makes the car, what size tires are on the car, how fast it is .. all that matters is all you see is thousands of green cars. This is where my opinion comes from. Some one needs to bring in a red car, and then I'll be interested in how loud the radio is.
Hope your link works out. |
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