Kinda silly

Mary · SearchIRC Admin Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 692

wooohoo baybeee!

katsklaw · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1064

pingbad, not I didn't.

Jason, forcing a channel to "opt-out" of YOUR list means they *MUST* opt-out of their own network's list by hiding their channel, that is totally unacceptable. I'm frustrated at your display of ignorance or obtuseness, which ever applies. The channel did not ask to be indexed in the first place, many don't even know it.

IMHO that's like if I was spamming your email address, and telling the only way to opt-out was to change your email address or stop using the internet. Obviously that is not an option. The US government has laws stating that spammers *MUST* provide an unsubscribe method.

In Addition, I know for a fact that SIRC has taken measures to prevent unauthorized usage of data found here, while still allowing the same data to used that SIRC sees fit. SIRC has done so because it has the RIGHT to protect it's data. I just want you to understand that networks have that same right. Which in my opinion you are blatantly denying them for one reason or another. Please don't play the "tainted data" card again. We all know that SIRC's data isn't accurate anyway since you don't remove dead networks from the main network count. instead of archiving them. No IRC indexing service will ever be accurate because you'll never get the full cooporation of every network.

I've had this conversation with a few of our users and while some say that channels that appear in the networks /list are public and the list as a whole is public information, they also agree and can see the difference between public information INSIDE the network versus public information OUTSIDE the network and SIRC is definately outside the network.

I also find it rather interesting that after I started this thread, our network was suddenly delisted. I don't know why exactly nor am I pointing fingers and to be honest it doesn't matter because I have banned scrawl because I have revoked SIRC's privilege to record our data since it fails to do so in an acceptable manner. Which will further taint your channel/user and count.

Jason · Posted: Jan 01, 2008 7:27am Post subject:

Mary · SearchIRC Admin Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 692

OOooh, NOW I see.

Invictachat and hypermutt are part of CollectiveIRC, a metanetwork.

Metanetworks started as a type of fraud. SearchIRC lists IRC networks one time - EFnet, Rizon, freenode each have many many servers but only ONE name. Metanetworks were an attempt to gain more exposure on IRC list sites by submitting themselves under several names - often declaring each server a network, and the collective a 'metanetwork'.

Obviously a small network that manages to get itself listed as 72 unique networks with different websites, themes, and features would be able to attract more users than the small network that has one name and is listed and indexed one time.

SearchIRC does not determine what makes an IRC network. That has already been decided by those much higher up on the food chain. A metanetwork is a network. Singular. Not plural. We list it one time. We index it one time.

If a network merges into a metanetwork, we mark it "dead", and stop indexing ALL of its information, as that information ALREADY appears in SearchIRC under the metanetwork's name. To do it any other way would duplicate information - duplicate channels - which we make every effort to avoid.

So I now see the REASON behind katsklaw's demands. He wants networks that merge into his metanet to be able to retain their active listing on SearchIRC so that they appear to be individual nets rather than part of a bigger network.

But he can't come out and SAY that because he knows better.

Instead, he resorts to childish behavior, impetuously banning our bot, and then when he's no longer indexed through his own actions he accuses us of delisting his network.

katsklaw, good luck with your metanetwork. Networks that join CollectiveIRC, good luck with katsklaw.

Jason · Posted: Jan 01, 2008 10:04am Post subject:

From our help page on meta networks:

http://searchirc.com/help.php?id=141

I'm closing this thread. It's not worth arguing over.