new network?

pawlicki · none Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 27

i'm just tossing out an idea here...

i noticed many people have their boxes which host for some irc networks using ports approx. 6600-7000.

Would anybody be interested in linking a few boxes on non-standard ports, such as 9990-9999, and making a new irc network?

I have a machine that could do it, and would be happy to start if people wanted to join.

Maybe even allow wildcard server linking? (like eris used to Smile

ircmojo · Posted: Nov 24, 2007 9:30pm Post subject:

why? Don't you think there is already enough "hey lets just throw together a few ircds because we can" type networks out there?

No offense, but there is already far too many pointless networks already.

pawlicki · none Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 27

but still... why not? Wink

Invisible · Lurker Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 191

Why should anyone? What premise does having non standard ports have besides that people won't connect?

ircmojo · Posted: Nov 25, 2007 5:55am Post subject: Re: ...

Jobe · Posted: Nov 25, 2007 8:01am Post subject:

Not to mention the confusion non-standard ports cause.

"I cant connect to your network! Why?" <- will be a frequently asked question, because nearly all users try 6667 or 6697 for SSL

pawlicki · none Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 27

Actually you're misguided.

Most IRC boxes have these ports unused, so in fact they're wasting the resources by having 1 ircd running and all the unused ports.

IRCd does not take much bandwidth, nor does it take alot of memory.

Running 1 service on a modern server (unless it's a huge network like dalnet), is like having a 18-wheeler to haul 5 lbs of groceries.

Think before you criticize.

Invisible · Lurker Joined: 26 Jul 2005 Posts: 191

We understand this, but the fact is that most users don't have these ports selected to connect on since most users go to what most ircd boxes use which is the standard ports. What you need if you have a large box and no standard ports but want to run more is to buy extra ips to be assigned to the box and then you can use the standard ports. Otherwise you need to think of a use for non standard port using besides just for the hell of it.

Jobe · Posted: Nov 25, 2007 8:10pm Post subject: Re: ...

ircmojo · Posted: Nov 25, 2007 8:16pm Post subject: Re: ...

greg27 · Lurker Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 159 Location: Australia

most providers offer additional ip addresses for around $1 a month - why not just pay for another ip address and set up your 'new network' on the standard 6667 port? this will still aid in solving the alleged 'wasted box' issue.

but anyway - why create a network for the hell of it? as ircmojo said, an unused network is a waste of resources. the aim is to minimise server memory use, not run additional services for the sole reason that there is some unused memory.

Jobe · Posted: Nov 26, 2007 4:02am Post subject:

What about the fact we're rapidly running out of IP addresses? Is wasting another one on an IRC network that will 9 times out fo 10 fail not a waste?

It's bad enough you can find organisations like for example US uni's with large blocks of IP addresses just so each computer can have it's own IP address when barely any of them need to be accessed directly from the internet.

Another thing that doesnt help is networks who demand the ONLY services on your box (and consequently your IP address) is the IRCd and SSHd. Where the IP address could easily also be used to host a small website, DNS or other more useful services.

PingBad · Guru Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 2064 Location: New Zealand

Lord_Diablo · Posted: Nov 27, 2007 1:35am Post subject:

Yea... not a great idea. Alot of us have done this already as a fun throw it together thing, and it really only ended up being a flame war, ddos park, and gzline heaven.... Not worth even attempting =)