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shaneeh
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Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Oct 19, 2007 8:49am Post subject: Why are shells so expensive and free shells only private? |
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I don`t get it. You just want to run an eggdrop bot over years and not go to bank and pay every month.
On the internet you get a lot of other services for free. Such as an emailaccount where mails never get deleted, a free online storage with webdav with 1 gb of space, free webspace 1 gb without advertisements and with enough traffic for fair private useage, free subdomain, free dyndns...
While lot`s of gb of free space for webhosting are running after me a commercial shell with 1 process costs ~2 - 15 €. There you get 1 proccess and ~10 - 35 mb of space for storage.
Some of this commercial shell providers also want to trick you what makes it even harder to find one. Some of them dosn`t have an imprint, other`s accept ordering/support/almost everything thought email, but if you want to terminate you need to send a snail mail (and you know the trick we did not receive the snail mail...). Or you shall pay several months before you get anything. Another bad trick is with the traffic, them say it`s an amount for free but then you have to pay for it. A normal provider would just block you for excessive/non-reasonable traffic, them say it`s "technically not possible" (and this is a joke).
All free shells I found are run by individual people, I did not found any cooperations at all. Some times these websites are nonserious, or you need to donate before you get anything (which is not "free").
Those free shell provider lists are also a big waste of time. You visit a website and then there is a page which got replaced by some domain park service.
Is there any free eggdrop hosting, serious and no tricks? |
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mouselike
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| Posted: Oct 19, 2007 10:35am Post subject: |
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free shells did exist back in late 1990's but they got so abused by their free users most of them ceased to exist after little uptime and operation.
Traffic (esp in the uk) isnt cheap and is becoming a sore subject for many hosting companies. We pay per GB which isnt cheap and irc generally doesnt generate no revenue for companies to offer free shell hosting, most free ones now exist as in cable/dsl connections or someone experimenting with VDS/VPS on their current platform.
Email and webspace advertising gernates some revenue for the compainies *if* they have per page load/click scripts and banners added somewhere in the process, while email is free generally the companie may append a manidtory signature to every email that passed in and out hence generating revenue.
It aint hard to pay shell hosts as most accept paypal or something similar, mine does and is automatically deducted from my paypal account every month, so theres no need to make any trips to any banks.
Back to the subject of irc, eggdrops can generate alot of mem and cpu usesage, baring in mind its old code just reworked to compile and run on modern os/platforms and it does use alot of memory/cpu but this can depend on what scripts you load, how many users, channel load etc, and i highly doubt someone is going to allocate a nice beast of a box to free shells for eggdrops, where as you are more likely to find a Pentium 333 celeron on 32mb ram running a free box which hundres of users all wanting probably todo the same thing, which in turn leaves the box unreachable, pinging out constantly, very slow compiling and someone picking up the bill for the bandwidth used... that is why free shell providers dont really exist anymore.
A few £££ or $$$ isnt going to hurt the bank for a eggdrop, you can get unmanged shells these days for as little as £1 $1 where you just control your processes from the web-browser rather than have ssh access. |
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callisto
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| Posted: Oct 19, 2007 11:41am Post subject: |
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| I think there are 1 or 2 free shell hosting providers, but to be totally fair I dont see $3 US a month expensive for 2 BG anyway. As for some of your claims about terminating shells well I cant say I have ever come across snail mail to terminate. maybe a few links from what you have seen would be helpful ? |
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shaneeh
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| Posted: Oct 19, 2007 2:39pm Post subject: |
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| Can you recommend some serious free shell providers? |
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callisto
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| Posted: Oct 20, 2007 12:03am Post subject: |
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| shaneeh wrote: | | Can you recommend some serious free shell providers? |
Sorry I cant. I have never personally used a free shell however I have heard some pretty bad stories from some that have, I cant vouch for those stories though. IMHO nothing in this world is free.
Is there a reason you must use a free shell and not a paid one? |
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mouselike
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| Posted: Oct 20, 2007 2:48am Post subject: |
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| shaneeh wrote: | | Can you recommend some serious free shell providers? |
I know this wasnt aimed at me, but I did mention something like these providers come and drop off the internet scene and cease to exist quicker than ever becaause users abuse the server/service hence it is almost impossible to keep up with a listing of free providers.
You wont get an eggdrop for a year also on a free service provider as for the reason above they tend to go offline quickly.
I dont know of any either, I was considering it myself with a little freebsd machine but realised users could misbehave and run me into a heavy monthly bill if they used all my bandwidth.
Answer:.... you arnt likely to find a free shell provider. |
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shaneeh
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| Posted: Oct 20, 2007 7:40am Post subject: |
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| callisto wrote: | | IMHO nothing in this world is free. |
Maybe you have another definition for free then me. I difference between really free in price, tricky free in price and free in freedom. Some examples, there would be a lot more....
tricky free in price examples:
- antivirus free edition: while this edition is free in price the main reason is to advertise like hell. It`s not free, it`s more lightweight.
- freemail: ok, you need to read their privacy statement. But it most cases there is no other human allowed to read your messages unlesss you done something very illegal. If you don`t believe in their statements it`s up to yourself to use encryption such as pgp. Ads and automatic analysis by bots are the way to get some money out.
- online storage: ok, same here. Them might spy on your data but if you care it`s allowed here also to use legal third party encryption such as truecrypt.
really free in price examples:
- this forum/website and much others are free in price for me, ok there are some ads but them are to pay the hosting and I can block them if I want
- many irc servers are free in price, unlike proprietary messengers such as icq/aim/msn I doub`t that the serveradmins create logs about what i am doing/saying or profiles about my privacy to sell them
free in freedom:
- there is a lot of Open Source software out, if you want you can run you hole computer without paying anything for software but that`s not the point of Open Source software
- you may also take the source, read it, modify it, contribute or fork it, often almost everything. bsd license even allows you to close the source and to use it commercial. I prefer gpl, but what isn`t free about at least this point?
| callisto wrote: | | Is there a reason you must use a free shell and not a paid one? |
It`s my hobby to take all virtual services for free, you can also call it penuriousness. Also it`s a lower risk for me because there is a less restrictive agreement.
| mouselike wrote: | | I know this wasnt aimed at me |
It`s ok, it was asked to public so anyone is free to answer or not to answer. |
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