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intempo
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PostPosted: May 19, 2007 8:05am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paltalk is lame ass s***
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PostPosted: May 20, 2007 12:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iv used once palktalk for an hour it seamed to be cool to me
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PostPosted: May 23, 2007 3:11pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does IRC get all this bad publicity though? The short answer really is this: It's the minority f**king it up for the majority.

All the media sees and hears about is some pimple infested 13 yr old kid using an IRC channel buried on some network to command some bots in there to DDoS (say) microsoft.com - and they hear it often enough. But thats all they hear about. The media doesn't even know about the good sides of IRC because of all these script kiddiots constantly popping up on the radar. Thus, the media assumes that if all they ever get to see or hear about in regards to IRC itself is these kids, then the entire IRC protocol is "evil" by design. Kinda spits in the face of the hundreds of thousands of people on IRC (at any given moment) chatting - doing exactly what the protocol was designed for.
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PostPosted: May 23, 2007 4:21pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PingBad wrote:
Why does IRC get all this bad publicity though? The short answer really is this: It's the minority f**king it up for the majority.

All the media sees and hears about is some pimple infested 13 yr old kid using an IRC channel buried on some network to command some bots in there to DDoS (say) microsoft.com - and they hear it often enough. But thats all they hear about. The media doesn't even know about the good sides of IRC because of all these script kiddiots constantly popping up on the radar. Thus, the media assumes that if all they ever get to see or hear about in regards to IRC itself is these kids, then the entire IRC protocol is "evil" by design. Kinda spits in the face of the hundreds of thousands of people on IRC (at any given moment) chatting - doing exactly what the protocol was designed for.


Of course, bad news is always reported before good news, watch the news sometime and actually tally up the good stories versus the bad stories (in the USA at least). lets also look at the fact that alot of bandwidth providers up until the recent past didn't know alot about IRC like their customers do. That is until they get attacked.
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PostPosted: May 24, 2007 7:00am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never mind the USA, the ratio of bad to good news, no matter where you are, is usually having 10 times as much bad news as there is good news.

The media simply DONT care about the good things in this world and to be honest I think thats wrong of them.
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PostPosted: Jul 06, 2007 3:26pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It might be getting smaller, but really, in my opinion, every person is starting up their own IRC server, and quitting old ones. So instead of several large networks there are many small ones.

However, I may be wrong on this. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Jul 07, 2007 7:14am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope ur right i use to use dalnet until i managed to set up my own irc as well irc.blitzx.net then me and a huge group of frineds left dalnet and just started using that :-\ but its a shame bigger networks that were once awsome and full of great chatters had to split up in to tons of smaller servers eventually all servers will link and grow once again and ull see a whole new list of larger networks such as zIRC has been growing now for years and theres no dought in my mind it will eventually be one of the largest
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PostPosted: Jul 22, 2007 11:22pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think irc is getting smaller and in my personal opinion it's due to there being so much censorship and curruption among staff of irc.
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PostPosted: Jul 23, 2007 3:19am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost-Soul wrote:
I think irc is getting smaller and in my personal opinion it's due to there being so much censorship and curruption among staff of irc.
Theres a few select irc nets out there that really dont care what you do. Neutral
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PostPosted: Jul 23, 2007 8:10am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with lost soul. Corruption is a big part of the decline of irc, as well as irc networks that are poorly managed and ran. I don't believe censorship persay but the attempt to get rid of illegal filesharing has also been a part of the causde for this decline. Dalnet is proof of that point.
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PostPosted: Jul 23, 2007 1:10pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SATAN-HHH wrote:
I agree with lost soul. Corruption is a big part of the decline of irc, as well as irc networks that are poorly managed and ran. I don't believe censorship persay but the attempt to get rid of illegal filesharing has also been a part of the causde for this decline. Dalnet is proof of that point.


The problem with that conclusion is there has always been corruption on IRC. It's not a new fad, it's been around for 20 years.

Same with freedom of speech, you have never had any form of freedom of speech in IRC. Some networks are more tolorant about whats said than others .. but again .. that's nothing new either, it's been happening for 20 years as well.
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PostPosted: Aug 23, 2007 1:18am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well as corruption and instant-messaging, IRC is still extremely primitive, having never advanced from basic text chat. When I first started on IRC 12 years ago, it was using Ircle on a Mac, which had audio streaming and video streaming! As well, the client had "Faces" and "sounds". We used to all trade what people now call avatars and made sure that everyone had the channel sound set which we could call on everyone with a command to emit a sound. Whenever we kicked people, the sound of a shotgun would go off on everyone's computer!

The problem is that, excepting for Mac Ircle users above, other than the coloring of text, nothing else advanced in IRC. If anything, it went backwards.

If I could code, I'd want to create an IRC server that could handle HTML input from clients, with ports for new clients and old, the latter stripping out the HTML for backwards compatibility. Paltalk takes care of audio streams to multiple people, but has the absolutely worst interface and lack of options of anything I've seen, itself very backwards to the IRC-like system it originally copied.

So, overall, IRC simply offers far too little and there are few who are making any effort to advance things.
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PostPosted: Aug 23, 2007 7:29pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currawong wrote:
As well as corruption and instant-messaging, IRC is still extremely primitive, having never advanced from basic text chat. When I first started on IRC 12 years ago, it was using Ircle on a Mac, which had audio streaming and video streaming! As well, the client had "Faces" and "sounds". We used to all trade what people now call avatars and made sure that everyone had the channel sound set which we could call on everyone with a command to emit a sound. Whenever we kicked people, the sound of a shotgun would go off on everyone's computer!

The problem is that, excepting for Mac Ircle users above, other than the coloring of text, nothing else advanced in IRC. If anything, it went backwards.

If I could code, I'd want to create an IRC server that could handle HTML input from clients, with ports for new clients and old, the latter stripping out the HTML for backwards compatibility. Paltalk takes care of audio streams to multiple people, but has the absolutely worst interface and lack of options of anything I've seen, itself very backwards to the IRC-like system it originally copied.

So, overall, IRC simply offers far too little and there are few who are making any effort to advance things.


Clients can handle nearly everything that IM's can do over IRC, it's not IRC it's self, it's how the client and server communicate, as you stated there are/were clients that do the same things that IM's do and do so over IRC. That proves that IRC is not as static as people think.

The problem is that I can write an ircd that uses smilies, streaming video. streaming audio and EVERYTHING an IM can do .. not none of it means anything unless the CLIENT supports it. So far very few clients are interested and because of THAT .. IRC remains text only. Again, it's not the protocol that is limiting IRC's potential .. it is mostly the client and partly the ircd it's self that is doing so. An ircd/client can exist and do all these wonderful things over IRC2, which is the current protocol. For some reason they simply choose not to. Apart from clients like IceChat which *IS* using smilies and such IRC remains text only.
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PostPosted: Aug 24, 2007 11:26am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Currawong wrote:
As well as corruption and instant-messaging, IRC is still extremely primitive, having never advanced from basic text chat. When I first started on IRC 12 years ago, it was using Ircle on a Mac, which had audio streaming and video streaming! As well, the client had "Faces" and "sounds". We used to all trade what people now call avatars and made sure that everyone had the channel sound set which we could call on everyone with a command to emit a sound. Whenever we kicked people, the sound of a shotgun would go off on everyone's computer!

The problem is that, excepting for Mac Ircle users above, other than the coloring of text, nothing else advanced in IRC. If anything, it went backwards.

If I could code, I'd want to create an IRC server that could handle HTML input from clients, with ports for new clients and old, the latter stripping out the HTML for backwards compatibility. Paltalk takes care of audio streams to multiple people, but has the absolutely worst interface and lack of options of anything I've seen, itself very backwards to the IRC-like system it originally copied.

So, overall, IRC simply offers far too little and there are few who are making any effort to advance things.


Paltalk has never, used IRC as a backend
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PostPosted: Aug 24, 2007 5:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

never said it did.

My entire point is that IRC can infact be like most IM's with the proper client. By that I mean it can handle smilies, streaming video, streamign audio, user profiles, web interfaces etc .etc .etc. Just that hardly any clients even try. I can create an entire drawn out detailed specification as to how it could work and perhaps even do a few protocols for some of these features, but it won't make a hill of beans unless there is atleast 1 popular client out there that is willing to support it, most of which can be handled with little or no IRCs or irc protocol changes.

Sorry if I confused you.
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