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gadfire
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bctrainers
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To be honest, it has been going down over the years. Just needs a new wave of people to use it however and it'll be back at it again. People are starting to forget about irc due to the 'bad' stuff in it and the newer chat IM programs... [warez, spam, bots, dos, ect]  |
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NightWing{s}
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IRC may never be what it once was, however I do think it will always be here. The move seems to be away from the big networks to smaller ones. Then there seem to be some servers who exist only for a few friends to logon to and stay intouch.
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ircmojo
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I think the larger networks are getting smaller, partly because setting up your own network has become much easier.
If you watch the top of the home page you will see this:
There are 929,413 people in 514,841 chatrooms right now!
I've watched that for about 2 years now and it deviates by about 300,000 throughout the course or the week. It can get as high and 1.3 million. |
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Jason
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While it might be slowly deceasing, I don't think there is any doubt that it has long since stopped growing.
I would hazard to guess that it's instant messaging that was the death blow. |
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Mary
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IRC never promoted itself or identified itself with a niche market. Its come close at times - people left AOL's pricey chatrooms in massive numbers and migrated to IRC in the mid 90's. We had DCC Chat and Messaging that were just as good as the first commercial IM programs. IRC could have been a contender.
Unfortunately, while commercial products promoted themselves to a general audience, IRC was being portrayed by the media as a home for third world scammers and hackers, pedophiles, and others involved in unsafe and unsavory activities. I can't say the media was wrong. IRC did not clean its own house. It became the trailer park of the internet.
I'd never say never, but I'm highly dubious IRC can turn itself around at this point - mostly because it doesn't want to. |
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ircmojo
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| mregit wrote: | IRC never promoted itself or identified itself with a niche market. Its come close at times - people left AOL's pricey chatrooms in massive numbers and migrated to IRC in the mid 90's. We had DCC Chat and Messaging that were just as good as the first commercial IM programs. IRC could have been a contender.
Unfortunately, while commercial products promoted themselves to a general audience, IRC was being portrayed by the media as a home for third world scammers and hackers, pedophiles, and others involved in unsafe and unsavory activities. I can't say the media was wrong. IRC did not clean its own house. It became the trailer park of the internet.
I'd never say never, but I'm highly dubious IRC can turn itself around at this point - mostly because it doesn't want to. |
While I can't dispute this beyond the fact that I'm offended by the "trailer park" generalization, I do understand the intention behind the statement as I can't deny that a negative stereotype surrounds "trailer trash". I find such stereotyping as wrong as ethinical profiling or racism. Many good people grew up in trailers and those that didn't are no better than those that did. Those that grewup in trailers such as I did are in no why inferior to those that didn't and any such thought, statement or belief to the contrary is pure ignorance. Some of the most influential and successful people in history grew up in trailers, ghettos and other such frowned upon areas by those with silver spoons in their mouths.
IRC has fallen to the current state that it is in because of it's lack of leadership, lack of development and complete and utter abandonement of it's fundamental protocol. Everyone wants to push it in the direction thought best in their own opinion and not the direction that would benefit the community. This lack of leadership and direction is what caused it's demise, not external influences. Although I will grant you that the popularity of IM's and other places such as myspace certainly didn't help matters. |
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GRebel777
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I agree with Jason...
Instant Messaging like he mentions has dealt a blow.
However, I feel there will always be iRC especially if people continue to develop it...
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Mary
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| ircmojo wrote: | | I'm offended by the "trailer park" generalization, I do understand the intention behind the statement as I can't deny that a negative stereotype surrounds "trailer trash". |
ircmojo, you didn't get it at all. I used an analogy. ie, even though decent people go on IRC for perfectly legitimate reasons, and decent people live in trailer parks for perfectly legitimate reasons, both IRC and trailer parks are portrayed in a very negative light by both the media and the general public. |
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Jason
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| While this is straying off topic, I have to agree that mary's analogy is correct. No doubt "trailer park" has overall negative connotations. Ironic since many go hand in hand with RV parks and quarter million dollar vehicles. |
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Stefano
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khaled is enjoying his life in london in his villa. he has done enough and still doing enough money to not give a shit about the client. lasy ass... he should at least open source it. anyways im speaking of mirc because its the largest client to IRC.. 95% and more of people refer the IRC to mIRC..
look at paltalk.. we should have reached this technology by now.. i sometimes feel homosapian when i use mIRC.. |
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ircmojo
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| mregit wrote: | | ircmojo wrote: | | I'm offended by the "trailer park" generalization, I do understand the intention behind the statement as I can't deny that a negative stereotype surrounds "trailer trash". |
ircmojo, you didn't get it at all. I used an analogy. ie, even though decent people go on IRC for perfectly legitimate reasons, and decent people live in trailer parks for perfectly legitimate reasons, both IRC and trailer parks are portrayed in a very negative light by both the media and the general public. |
Actually I do get .. and get it quite well. As I said I understand what you said and I understand what you meant, I just didn't like the way you said it. An equal analogy to comparing one trash to another trash is comparing one ethnic group to another such as saying the Mexicans are getting just as bad as the Blacks or saying my neighbors are about as stuck up as the yuppies at work. I see no difference in comparing the status of IRC with trailer parks. To do so you must personally view trailer parks (and the people in them) as distasteful, because you were comparing the negitive/inferior image of IRC to the negative/inferior image of trailer parks. Which is completely wrong and extremely politiclly incorrect. Why don't you compare IRC to rednecks next time, they have a negitive image too.
Perhaps, if you were from a trailer park you'd understand why I'm so offended. Nothing further needs to be said on this topic in reply to me, I'm done with this thread. Get back to your precious topic. |
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PingBad
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I'll agree with mregit here.
IRC is seen by many as the underpants of the internet (to put another analogy to it... I hope nobody is offended by the comparison ). The proliferation of DDoS attacks, spam runs, warez, and other such unsavory acts of certain human beings is all to well advertised to the general public at large by the media. Yet, the good things about IRC (the reasons I joined in the first place) are largely shelved in some dark corner never to be remembered again.
While it is but a pipe dream, I'd personally love to see warez finally removed from IRC as a whole (there's a reason for the existance those popular P2P apps people!). |
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Jobe
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Thats the biggest problem with the media these days. No matter which country youre in or where in the world you are theyre all too eager to publish as much negative news as they can.
The world as a whole would probably be a lot happier if they posted more good news instead.
Even celebs are scared of doing anything bad that the media would publish in a negative fasion. So its no surprise everything else gets negative press too. |
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InsaneJuggaloNinja
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| Stefano wrote: | khaled is enjoying his life in london in his villa. he has done enough and still doing enough money to not give a shit about the client. lasy ass... he should at least open source it. anyways im speaking of mirc because its the largest client to IRC.. 95% and more of people refer the IRC to mIRC..
look at paltalk.. we should have reached this technology by now.. i sometimes feel homosapian when i use mIRC.. |
If you want an open source IRC client similar to mIRC try jIRCii http://jirc.hick.org/ its a java IRC client based on ircii and bitchX with a mIRC look and feel and its fully scriptable and supports sleep scripting language (similar to perl and C++) anyways I use jIRCii as my main IRC client for both linux and windows and no complains here, tho I think it should have more features...
oh btw I hear the macOSX version of jIRCii isnt so good....
on another note, I dont think IRC is really getting smaller well maybe some servers but since almost everyone in IRC is making their own network nowadays so that means ppl from big networks are migrating into the smaller new ones, everyday you see a new IRC network.... |
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