What I find funny

ircmojo · Posted: Apr 14, 2007 9:38am Post subject: What I find funny

Just a few things I've seen that I find rather funny and/or odd.

1. I see networks claiming to need more servers, but in there requirements they reqiure new server to have users already. This makes no sense to me. If you truely need the server, it would because your network has a need that only a server can provide. Basicly, what I'm saying if servers that are needed for the needs of the network should be limited to technical or geographical specifications. Not because a server has users already.

Reasons you *need* a server:

a. geographical expansion
b. to increase your networks population capacity
c. add dedicated hub servers
d. redundancy

If you are requiring new links to have existing users, then you don't really need the server it's self, you only want the users. It's cool if you make the need to have users optional, because it is awsome to pickup users and servers at the same time. I'm talking about those that will refuse your link regardless of how good your server is because it has no users. To me this is the same as a guy meeting a girl and she will only date you if you have money. Face it, it's not the companionship she's after .. it's the money.

2. Network admins of very small networks offering advice on how to grow and obtain users. This one is very funny. How can you tell others how to be successful if you are not successful yourself? Ever heard of "actions speak louder than words"? They really do. This is like asking a homeless person for spare change.

3. People that complain about issues in places that can't help them. Example is I see countless threads here of users complaining/whining about something that happend on XYZ Net. Why here?! Take you issue to XYZ Net's admin. Even if you are banned, any respectable network has their staff listed on their website, contact them. Not people on an unrelated forum that most likely can't help you no matter how much they care.

4. This one is my favorite. New networks are set-up everyday, cool, not a problem. However, I've found that 90% of the near 4000 network are running in a default configuration. How bland, this is why it's harder to get users these days because everyone knows it's just another bland network in a default configuration. The most popular of IRC software is highly configurable and modular to boot. That means you could set-up 10 networks with the same software and get 10 different configurations. Net-A should be nothing like Net-B. Don't stop configuration just because you finally got services connected after 10 hours of trying, your not done setting up your network. Load different modules, try different configurations.

I guess I'm done sharing for now, I think 4 points is enough for at least 1 person to completely missunderstand me and think I insulted them or am trying to tell them how to run their network or some other form of troll fodder they see in my post that I never said.

PS: Constructive replies are always welcome, ignorance will be ignored.

PingBad · Guru Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 2075 Location: New Zealand

ircmojo, dude, I can't agree with you more... very well said man.

FBI · Posted: Apr 15, 2007 12:41pm Post subject:

I seen a lot of networks that have 10 servers and about 10-20 users each with more ircops then the users itself...

Thats how some networks get big though I imagine what happens when it splits Neutral

ircmojo · Posted: Apr 15, 2007 12:51pm Post subject:

Safer_Sephiroth · none Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 29

Very well said and I couldn't agree more. *laughs*

Spirit1968 · none Joined: 26 Apr 2007 Posts: 2

I totally agree with you,merging with another network can be a headache too,I have a policy to not merge with others,if I need to add then I add if and when needed. Very Happy

SATAN-HHH · Eleet Joined: 29 Nov 2003 Posts: 855 Location: Texas

Ircmojo, very good points.

I've found mergers to basically be not worth it in the end. I think mostly, there isn't enough conversations between the two merging networks and their staff beforehand to iron out the process itself. Everyone's in too big of a rush these days.

ircmojo · Posted: Apr 27, 2007 8:31am Post subject:

ok, I just found something else to add to my list.

Anyone else see the likeness in this thread http://searchirc.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=5761 and mine that I posted a few weeks ago found at http://searchirc.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=5728 ??

LOL, I love it Smile

The points I find extremely interesting are

1. "We use a modified version of Unreal3.2.6 ,with all modes added including +qoahv which most networks have these disabled."
Not true at all. In fact, you can't disable modes +qoahv in Unreal as they are "hardcoded" in and not optional to disable. What you *can* disable is the ~& symbols but not the modes themselves. Addionally, there is no good reason to disable +ohv unless users can't have chanops, halfops or voice status in any channel on your network.

2. "> offer experienced help and advice "
ok, you beat me there, you have licensed therapists and I don't.

3. "Our Opers are fully trainned,to deal with any situation,and are they follow a code of conduct."
Obviously not "trained" in spelling Wink

and which school did these "fully trainned opers" graduate from? Wink

4. This net claims to be an "open policy" network but they don't allow warez, not very open then is it?? .. seems like an oximoron to me.

5. This is always cute:

Stefano · Eleet Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 528 Location: Beirut

unfortunatly who ever has a shell nowdays calls himself a network administrator.

its like a guy with 2 ircd and 5 users merging with a larger network, 3 ircd and around with 6 users.. then they merge again with a 10 users.. at the end .. 30 users 10 servers.. 50 netsplits a day... 29 ircops maybe...

just great..

well it might literaly still means a network.. but to me its more like a tchetchnian skirmish then a network..

i have visited hundreds of networks listed on netsplit.de and searchirc or servers.ini and trust me i havent found many succesful real networks. quality wise, there arent many nowdays.

FBI · Posted: Apr 27, 2007 9:47pm Post subject:

Thats soooooo true stefano Razz

Everyone these days have a Network Admin badge

Stefano · Eleet Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 528 Location: Beirut

belive it or not the last network i passed by had around 50 users and over 30 ircops. i was using pnp and when i joined the main room i had a shock. it was a flashy pink userlist ..

ircmojo · Posted: Apr 28, 2007 9:28am Post subject:

Stefano · Eleet Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Posts: 528 Location: Beirut

us.beirut.com [193 clients]
|-eu.beirut.com (3s) [146 clients]

Hmmm oper wise? we have 2 globals, one that comes morning time and the other night shift, and 2 locals with also oppsit timezones.

1 global & 1 local per server (~ 150 users)
hmmm thats like 1.5% opers?

its like stockmarket, if u have too much its cheap. less u have better it becomes. (hey im not saying keep no ircops at all neither!)

hmm my advice dont cross the 4-5%

ircmojo · Posted: Apr 28, 2007 3:47pm Post subject:

well if you only have 5-20 users you can't help but have alot of opers. Services in many cases introduce it's users as opers so /lusers will say there are 15 users online and 11 are opers just because of services. But yes, once you have a noticable userbase you shouldn't have such a high percentage of opers.

katherin · none Joined: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 3

I totally agree with you,very good !