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MOVIEBOT
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 Posted: Jun 29, 2006 11:36pm Post subject: GlobalLinks Project. Read Me IRCd Coders |
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Hey i am thinking lets make a brand new ircd lets have it based on inspircd or some other where we make a large global network links ( i know about the other topic but its crap) where there is 1 main hub maybe 2 where any server who downloads the linux package and installs it on there server that it will auto link no question asks and the main hub(s) will auto accept that server into the link blocks and dns will auto add irc. to the servers ip but if the server delinks or is detected not to be linked with the hub that the dns auto removes itself and that server hostname/ip is banned for a specified time. there would also have an option to ban a server from linking i.e ip ban, hardware ban, i dont know. but i reckon this would be an awesome project where any server would just run a linux package auto install (after ./Config where they would enter nothing but server admin) i hope this project alctually works.
i am also looking for ircd coders cause i think it will be difficult for ircds to provide source codes and anyway we would be able to start from scratch and do what we want, limit access etc... i reckon this project could be called "GlobalLinks" 
anyway if any coders want to take part in this please join Irc.InxsIRC.Net #GlobalLinks
btw if this project does happen there will be no warez allowed whatsoever but just chat. |
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PingBad
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nice idea, but what if the main hub were to change IP? not to mention the following:- Server Description
- Server Name
- O:Lines
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MrBurns
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I don't know whether such a project can be done. Not only does it require a lot of support, but what if some "bad guy" automaticly links his server like you suggest to the network and starts screwing up things?
Also, who would be "the boss" in such a network? Who makes all the decisions and what happens if friction occurs between IRCops? |
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MOVIEBOT
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| Posted: Jun 30, 2006 5:45am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | nice idea, but what if the main hub were to change IP? not to mention the following:
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* Server Name
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well if the server ip was to change we could maybe use a dedicated server and use a hostname instead of a ip for linking. server description: our own irc so it wont be needed, server name would be random when linking so it would kinda be like microsoft updates but without a server restart. o:lines will be given oncce the server has been through a test link lets say 5 weeks.
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I don't know whether such a project can be done. Not only does it require a lot of support, but what if some "bad guy" automaticly links his server like you suggest to the network and starts screwing up things?
Also, who would be "the boss" in such a network? Who makes all the decisions and what happens if friction occurs between IRCops?
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well thats why we would limit olines untill a 5 week test link period or if users just want to support us than olines wont be needed on (client) servers. the boss would be a panel of 20 users who would be the commitee where everything would be run through them and the majority wins. if frictions occur between opers both opers will recieve a oper suspension until we investigate etc... and that there would be from senior staff 4 users 24/7 monitoring oper powers and abuse and so forth... i reckon this project could actually happen and this would be awesome and further on once we get more users and more we could limit server specs (possibly) |
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FuRiOuS
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| Ok, I'm not a coder or anything like that BUT I really see this project being very difficult to pull off. The support needed as one person said, and also the sheer logics of this project seem almost impossible to do. I wish you the best of luck with it, but I really don't see it being something possible to work out. By the time the coding was far enough along with to start actually doing testing, I see the project possibly losing interest. Just my thoughts though. |
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Scire
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| Posted: Jun 30, 2006 8:34am Post subject: |
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well thats why we would limit olines untill a 5 week test link period or if users just want to support us than olines wont be needed on (client) servers. the boss would be a panel of 20 users who would be the commitee where everything would be run through them and the majority wins. if frictions occur between opers both opers will recieve a oper suspension until we investigate etc... and that there would be from senior staff 4 users 24/7 monitoring oper powers and abuse and so forth... i reckon this project could actually happen and this would be awesome and further on once we get more users and more we could limit server specs (possibly) |
Seems complicated.
how would the 20 be chosen?
what about friction with the 20 .. who decides that?
Why not just not use global ops? Each server effects only that server and the power-base (however thats chosen) simply jupes rouge servers.. dunno thats just off the top of my head |
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katsklaw
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why not just spend the 2 minutes it takes to link a server instead of spending months or years trying to eliminate the process.
I truely can't understand why everyone is in such a rush when it comes to linking ... OMG!! OMG!! A new link .. I can't wait for admin1 to get here!! .. Lets invent a way to add a server without them!! Screw security measures!!! Just simply retarded.
There is a fine line between convenience and laziness .. and neither should be used in place of security. 
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SebasMiles
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Yes wonderfull, a whole new way for attackers to screw you over. "Oh look, I just loaded an entire botnet with your ircd, Whats that? your whole net crashed? what a pitty". I can think of 1000 problems like this. IRC is all about security and having anyone autolink gives them great change to exploit the net, especially with a custom ircd that is prone to exploits and bugs.
Like i said in the other one, I dont see the purpose other than to code something that is useless.
1) A huge ammount of links doesnt mean usercount increases.
2) If you intend to see how many people you can link to it, im sure this has been done with a ton of ircds, and really has no purpose other than find flaws in ircds for larger nets.
3) to really test something like that, linking isnt enough, you need a large userbase to see if it becomes unstable.
etc...etc...etc..... |
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MOVIEBOT
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| Posted: Jun 30, 2006 11:50am Post subject: |
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why not just spend the 2 minutes it takes to link a server instead of spending months or years trying to eliminate the process.
I truely can't understand why everyone is in such a rush when it comes to linking ... OMG!! OMG!! A new link .. I can't wait for admin1 to get here!! .. Lets invent a way to add a server without them!! Screw security measures!!! Just simply retarded.
There is a fine line between convenience and laziness .. and neither should be used in place of security. Confused
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everyone seems so negative on new ideas :S well katskaw i dont know if you read it but the whole point of this project is for servers to auto link to a main hub and than be able to support users. this would simply be a "trial project" where to get everything automated without much user interaction (except for chatting). but if this does seem to go good i dont see why not forming a whole new network on this project and over time we will get better security etc.., why not (another idea of mine) for this project to spot out rogue servers and users who want to be linked blacklist ip's and/or unknown hosting providers?? and only allow lets hostnames such as *.vodoohosting.com, *.outlandz.net for only respected ircd hosts (just an idea)
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Yes wonderfull, a whole new way for attackers to screw you over. "Oh look, I just loaded an entire botnet with your ircd, Whats that? your whole net crashed? what a pitty". I can think of 1000 problems like this. IRC is all about security and having anyone autolink gives them great change to exploit the net, especially with a custom ircd that is prone to exploits and bugs.
Like i said in the other one, I dont see the purpose other than to code something that is useless.
1) A huge ammount of links doesnt mean usercount increases.
2) If you intend to see how many people you can link to it, im sure this has been done with a ton of ircds, and really has no purpose other than find flaws in ircds for larger nets.
3) to really test something like that, linking isnt enough, you need a large userbase to see if it becomes unstable.
etc...etc...etc.....
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they wont be able to exploit it if the ircd is custom made and built thinking of all the other ircd's out there and their features. we would eliminate o:lines on all (client) servers. i know a huge ammount of servers wont increase users, but hey this is a project and its a good idea. i dont know how to code a ircd but with this idea i hope to form a ircd coders who can build ircd like the other stable ones such as bahamut, inspircd etc... i hope to change all commands on the server even /oper to some other crap so noone can really try and do anything. |
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Everyone wants to create there own ircds.....
Only a few people I know made there own.....
Instead of asking for help maybe you should start learning how to code yourself?You know u could go to the libary or use Search Enginges...
I seriously doubt anyone will want to help you.....  |
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FuRiOuS
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| Ok so no olines now? I thought before olines after 5 weeks? So who is supposed to run this project? Just the 20 people who are the governing power? Ok who has ultimate say so, if the oher 18-19 are busy fighting, who has the power to say this is how it's gonna be, and this is why? Who has the power to determine if someone from the 20 people in the governing power has to be removed, and if so why and for how long? Besides this seems like a task you will get little help with, and you said you yourself don't know coding. I see this as failing before it even gets off the ground. |
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katsklaw
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well katskaw i dont know if you read it but the whole point of this project is for servers to auto link to a main hub and than be able to support users.
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Yeah, I know how to read ... just hate the idea ... automated anything on IRC should be dealt with very cautiously.
There isn't anything wrong with doing things manually, although it's a difficult concept for some. I don't even like auto-connecting servers when Link blocks or C/N lines *are* added manually. Nothing beats a human brain in control of the decision making process.
MY primary concern is security and in most cases regardless how simple or complex .. automation tends to negate security in one way or another. So I still think the idea is stupid .. but good luck with your project. |
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MOVIEBOT
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| Posted: Jun 30, 2006 11:06pm Post subject: |
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| FBI wrote: | Everyone wants to create there own ircds.....
Only a few people I know made there own.....
Instead of asking for help maybe you should start learning how to code yourself?You know u could go to the libary or use Search Enginges...
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seriously you dont understand this project.....
| FuRiOuS wrote: | | Ok so no olines now? I thought before olines after 5 weeks? So who is supposed to run this project? Just the 20 people who are the governing power? Ok who has ultimate say so, if the oher 18-19 are busy fighting, who has the power to say this is how it's gonna be, and this is why? Who has the power to determine if someone from the 20 people in the governing power has to be removed, and if so why and for how long? Besides this seems like a task you will get little help with, and you said you yourself don't know coding. I see this as failing before it even gets off the ground. |
ok these are still ideas on how to work this ircd... yes there would be a panel of 20 people where everything has a majority vote. well i would need experienced coders. |
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mouselike
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| Posted: Jul 01, 2006 2:17am Post subject: |
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why not just spend the 2 minutes it takes to link a server instead of spending months or years trying to eliminate the process.
I truely can't understand why everyone is in such a rush when it comes to linking ... OMG!! OMG!! A new link .. I can't wait for admin1 to get here!! .. Lets invent a way to add a server without them!! Screw security measures!!! Just simply retarded.
There is a fine line between convenience and laziness .. and neither should be used in place of security. Confused
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everyone seems so negative on new ideas :S well katskaw i dont know if you read it but the whole point of this project is for servers to auto link to a main hub and than be able to support users. this would simply be a "trial project" where to get everything automated without much user interaction (except for chatting). but if this does seem to go good i dont see why not forming a whole new network on this project and over time we will get better security etc.., why not (another idea of mine) for this project to spot out rogue servers and users who want to be linked blacklist ip's and/or unknown hosting providers?? and only allow lets hostnames such as *.vodoohosting.com, *.outlandz.net for only respected ircd hosts (just an idea) |
I think katslaw understands clearly tbh, your just making a fool out of yourself. If you want anyone willing and able to link just add an asterix for all send/rec pass, servername, ip in the block and code up a simple jupe service then so if they delink etc it jupes their service or just squits them.
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Yes wonderfull, a whole new way for attackers to screw you over. "Oh look, I just loaded an entire botnet with your ircd, Whats that? your whole net crashed? what a pitty". I can think of 1000 problems like this. IRC is all about security and having anyone autolink gives them great change to exploit the net, especially with a custom ircd that is prone to exploits and bugs.
Like i said in the other one, I dont see the purpose other than to code something that is useless.
1) A huge ammount of links doesnt mean usercount increases.
2) If you intend to see how many people you can link to it, im sure this has been done with a ton of ircds, and really has no purpose other than find flaws in ircds for larger nets.
3) to really test something like that, linking isnt enough, you need a large userbase to see if it becomes unstable.
etc...etc...etc.....
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they wont be able to exploit it if the ircd is custom made and built thinking of all the other ircd's out there and their features. we would eliminate o:lines on all (client) servers. i know a huge ammount of servers wont increase users, but hey this is a project and its a good idea. i dont know how to code a ircd but with this idea i hope to form a ircd coders who can build ircd like the other stable ones such as bahamut, inspircd etc... i hope to change all commands on the server even /oper to some other crap so noone can really try and do anything. |
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So you expect people to link but have no o:lines, so how will they be able to maintain it's server or troublesome users.
Maybe katslaw could give you some lessons on what a proper IRCd is, how to run it and how to run a proper network not some shitty warez network.
But a good hint for you, use one of the efnet ircd's and you will be able to allow any server to link and restrict its access via the allow and shared blocks. |
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MOVIEBOT
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| Posted: Jul 01, 2006 5:50am Post subject: |
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| mouselike are you special? this is to be all automated with no users interaction. like i said above the servers could be donated but they would have to understand that they would not get any olines because it would be an open link network and only senior staff would get olines. |
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