new server to be designed with help

YaNuSH · Newbie Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 81 Location: New Zealand

how about run a unrealircd and intergrate teamspeak into it so the voiced users (+v) can talk via the microphone, now all we need is a starting point, any ideas anyone?

trystan · Eleet Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 756 Location: SLC Utah

Well you would need to look at how "teamspeak" or others like it handle the voice data.. the biggest part of transferring voice data is how to encode it and send it.. just cuase the ircd can pass it around doesn't mean the client will be able to.

Grizzly · none Joined: 24 Dec 2005 Posts: 8

this could be a really good idea with a stable ircd like quake or bahamut or ultimate. have it compatible with online games like CS and WOW where users can speak live and have it relay toa irc channel etc.. or other ideas but i rekon the best ap would be ventrillo

nenolod · Idler Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 335 Location: A box!

This is not possible with IRCd. IRCd uses a buffering system that is intended for lines of text... it would be possible via DCC however, but then the IRCd would not matter, would it? Smile

trystan · Eleet Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 756 Location: SLC Utah

Yahoo has hack of this already, you have channels and users can be moded to enable their voice speach or not.. if voice they route that to those whom hare flagged to listen, and to those whom are not get a so and so is talking.. but no text of what was said..

really is not what irc was designed for..

YaNuSH · Newbie Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 81 Location: New Zealand

it dont really have to be teamspeak it can be anything as i was using that as an example, one could design a mirc script for the network with the voice over ip enabled.

trystan · Eleet Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 756 Location: SLC Utah

well even VoIP has to have the voice data compressed and encoded.. beginning to think what you want is a Skype with a community system to make conferencing easier

YaNuSH · Newbie Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 81 Location: New Zealand

no no no what i want is a ircd to handle voice over ip with the +v status so no other apps need to be run etc

trystan · Eleet Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 756 Location: SLC Utah

VoIP is MASSIVE.. we recently installed and setup a VoIP network at my companies office, the server data is massive.. encoding voice and transmitting on a 10/100 nic you will quick degrade the quality after the 3rd or 4th person.

Most users out there just don't have a gigabit nic, and enough bandwidth to make this a really good idea.

PingBad · Guru Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 2075 Location: New Zealand

sounds good, but the amount of modification IRCd software would have to endure... not to mention the clients themselves.
but, like Trystan pointed out, the amount of traffic that the server's hardware would process letalone the users. Things would get dicey in a small chan of just 5 people much less a chan with 100 voiced or higher users. IRC is a text-only protocol, DCC is a binary transfer outside of the protocol (it's a client-side extension that is initiated via the IRC protocol). You'd have to modify the protocol itself to version 4 (version 3 - last I heard - involved mesh linking, spaces in nicknames, etc) in order to accomodate the needs of a voice-chat system. But how about the servers you'd hope to run this project on? Do you have any idea of the amount of bandwidth they would need to provide to each user to allow this to work?

GeniusDex · Lurker Joined: 16 Aug 2003 Posts: 150

Voice transmission (or webcam transmission for that matter, it's mostly the same issue from an ircd point of view) is not something that should be done in the ircd, but rather via DCC as already said before. DCC is meant to transmit data between clients, while the ircd relays textmessages to users or groups of users.

PingBad · Guru Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 2075 Location: New Zealand

GeniusDex · Lurker Joined: 16 Aug 2003 Posts: 150

xtothez · none Joined: 19 Dec 2005 Posts: 11

Trying to send voice data via the IRCd is like trying to send your water supply through your electricity lines. And this is without acknowledging the fact that no IRC client software will support the recieved data, which does kinda ruin your "no other apps need to be run" desire.

trystan · Eleet Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Posts: 756 Location: SLC Utah

Again this why I mentioned skype.. with better "community" options.. cause it can do VoIP with groups and text at the same time.. just there is no really community way of handle it all..

Its best to keep the irc and voice chat stuff completely separate from each other and focus on a voice chat setup and give them a better "text" interface..