Looking for an IRCd and Serivces

PingBad · Guru Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 2064 Location: New Zealand

Unreal takes your privacy? How so?

w00t · Posted: Dec 19, 2005 4:43am Post subject:

m_spy, syzop's monitor.. the tools that have given Unreal a bad reputation. That and a few more reasons.

I may point out though that you are given tools -- it is ultimatly up to the staff how they are used. Give a man a gun, and he can go hunt, or go kill someone. It's the people that are the problem, not the technology.

Aven · Idler Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posts: 393

As in...

- +i invisible mode doesn't work ...
- /sajoin and /sapart, it's a user's choice to whatever channels he/she wants to join/part
- /chgname and /chgident... it kind of sucks how admins have the ability to control a user's ident and ircname...

and a whole bunch of abusive features...

I know you need to hire 'trusted' admins, but to be honest, lots of nets that I've been in abuse those commands...

m00c0w · none Joined: 07 Dec 2005 Posts: 28

mhhhhh hm

whilst i agree with some of your points about unreal - how, for fucks sake, can viagraircd be better concerning privacy then unreal?

oh you say? look at that:

Aven · Idler Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posts: 393

w00t · Posted: Dec 19, 2005 4:43pm Post subject:

FBI · Posted: Dec 19, 2005 4:52pm Post subject:

Aven · Idler Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posts: 393

It's probably why most power-hungy opers like to choose unrealircd as their ircd. It has a lot of fun commands Razz

And no, I'm not saying everyone that uses unrealircd is power hungry. Wink

w00t · Posted: Dec 19, 2005 5:40pm Post subject:

That's the point I'm trying to make, if you see that, it's a good thing Wink

MOVIEBOT · Lurker Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 229 Location: Poland

all your ideas are terrible lol our network used to run UnrealIRCD around a week and a half ago in which unreal would always like die every week for some reason but sinse we installed QuakeIRCD and have had 0 netsplits and 0 problems and - dowtime i recommend QuakeIRCD to all noobs too and it also runs on win32 and is based on UnreaLIRCD and other ircds like bahamut and alot more known ones

PingBad · Guru Joined: 05 Feb 2005 Posts: 2064 Location: New Zealand

How on earth could QuakeIRCd (I'm assuming the very IRCd that runs QuakeNet) be based on Unreal code? As far as I know, QuakeIRCd existed before Unreal.... someone correct me if I'm wrong about this

Rob_ · Idler Joined: 13 Dec 2003 Posts: 309

no, no it isnt, QuakeIRCD has nothing at all to do with Quakenet.... go figure :)

braindigitalis · Idler Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 443 Location: IRC

w00t · Posted: Dec 20, 2005 9:01pm Post subject:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/quakeircd

There is an IRCd called 'quake' something or other, which is/was derived from Unreal.. but it's progressed less far than Unreal, not a good thing. Their phpBB homepage is also down, their last release [a beta] was released in febuary. Their CVS commits also stopped a long while ago [see http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/quakeircd/QuakeIRCd-Dev/].

Through a quick glance at their code:
-They have the [old, broken] chinese nick character support that doesn't work. They do not have the nickchars system that replaced it.
-They have the old DNS routines, which have a habit of oddly crashing randomly on some systems

So basically, quakeircd looks like it's essentially the same pile of crap, except it has the additional advantage of now being unsupported... Not a good thing.

That having been said, if you'd read Unreal's code, you'd know a great deal of it is.. uh, already based on other ircds. WATCH comes entirely from bahamut [possibly DAL, actually]. Unreal's membership tracking code is attributed to hybrid, as is SAFELIST I believe. Could be wrong on that one. So, uhm, Unreal is *already* based off those IRCds, and it doesn't look like Quake really changed or added much, other than some really weird stuff mostly through defines.

(edit: my bad, SAFELIST looks like it came from bahamut:
/* Taken from bahamut, modified for Unreal by codemastr */

void send_list(aClient *cptr, int numsend)
see: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/quakeircd/QuakeIRCd-Dev/src/channel.c?rev=1.31&view=markup)

As for your problems involving crashes, I'm guessing you had gcc4 installed? That's a known issue, and fixed in CVS. If not, reporting the crash(es) might actually work wonders.

MOVIEBOT · Lurker Joined: 24 May 2004 Posts: 229 Location: Poland

though why should thry need an update if there are no problems with it?

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