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shaneeh
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Joined: 07 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Oct 08, 2007 6:48pm Post subject: looking for network with... |
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I am looking for a network with all this settings:
- php chat on offical site where any amount of people may join
- running servers for a long amount of time and very unlikely stop stop that soon
- stable running servers
- service bots which can not be hacked (only by users own fault) to prevent permanent overtakes and losing of channels
- the service bot has just to reop the admins of the channel
- good proxy/virusscan and therefore less spam
- no illegal stuff such as warez allowed there |
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Pingu
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Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 10:22am Post subject: |
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| Well we have all apart from the php chat, irc.atlanticirc.net |
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Jobe
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Joined: 30 Jul 2006
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Location: Lurking in the shadows of some random channel!
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 10:55am Post subject: |
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My network (see the "WWW" button below) has all that except for the PHP chat, we do however have Java based PJIRC web chat and CGI:IRC chat too.
Our default settings for ChanServ registered channels prevent anyone who is NOT the original founder fo the channel from changing the founder, successor, or channel password. Which is a setting that can be turned off too if a founder so wishes. Also there is an option to disallow anyone not on the channels access list from being able to be oped in the channel by a regular /mode.
And to be honest I dont actually know of a PHP based equivelent to CGI:IRC. |
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shaneeh
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 11:22am Post subject: |
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Indeed, CGI:IRC is good as php chat, does basically the same.
I don`t like java because it`s not easy. You have to download a lot, install it, then you must deactivate some unless tray icon. But the most worse thing with java is the long load time in browser and if you close it or click to much your browser will crash. I don`t like such behavior.
Better is php/cgi where there user don`t need to install anything and the browser doesn`t become sluggish. That was the sense of that point. |
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mouselike
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Joined: 09 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 1:50pm Post subject: Re: looking for network with... |
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| shaneeh wrote: |
- service bots which can not be hacked (only by users own fault) to prevent permanent overtakes and losing of channels |
When you find these services, let me know. a takeover can be permanent no matter what services you use unless its with chanfix, and then you still run a risk of takeover. Nothing or no software has the ability to keep hackers obey, bugs exist in every software which dont exist in some circumstances but exist in others.
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- the service bot has just to reop the admins of the channel |
It wont reop them if they loose founder or access to the channel
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- good proxy/virusscan and therefore less spam |
You can run the best virus/proxyscanner there is, but every software has its limitations to what it can do and even a larger scale of proxy's and virusus will always slip through.
These are quite odd requriements to say the least. |
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shaneeh
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 4:25pm Post subject: Re: looking for network with... |
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| mouselike wrote: | | When you find these services, let me know. a takeover can be permanent no matter what services you use unless its with chanfix, and then you still run a risk of takeover. Nothing or no software has the ability to keep hackers obey, bugs exist in every software which dont exist in some circumstances but exist in others. |
Well, the Q/L system on quakenet seams to be very good. I am on this network now over years and I monitor the owners of big channels. There are enough hackers around and people would even pay money to buy for such a channel a big amount of money.
It can be only lost if you break rules and an ircop removes you, or if there is some untrustworthy/corrupt ircop.
Well a bug inside their software which is Open Source. Possible but right now it did not happen.
| mouselike wrote: | | It wont reop them if they loose founder or access to the channel |
That`s clear. A founder must know all tricks of hackers to get his password. (faked bnc, faked service name and so on)
| mouselike wrote: | | You can run the best virus/proxyscanner there is, but every software has its limitations to what it can do and even a larger scale of proxy's and virusus will always slip through. |
I don`t say it must stop 100% of all personal controlled attacks. Same... On quakenet them installed over years a very good proxyscan which scans the common proxy ports. The spam even in big channels from automatic spam drones are very very rare now. The amount of spam query's decreased a lot, it was really worth to do so. It was really worth to use the new system even if it can`t stop 100% of spam.
Just because hackers or spamers *can* overcome the new system it`s still worth to make it harder for them. If you fight you can lose but if you don´t fight you have already lost.
| mouselike wrote: | | These are quite odd requriements to say the least. |
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mouselike
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Joined: 09 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 5:35pm Post subject: Re: looking for network with... |
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| shaneeh wrote: | | mouselike wrote: | | When you find these services, let me know. a takeover can be permanent no matter what services you use unless its with chanfix, and then you still run a risk of takeover. Nothing or no software has the ability to keep hackers obey, bugs exist in every software which dont exist in some circumstances but exist in others. |
Well, the Q/L system on quakenet seams to be very good. I am on this network now over years and I monitor the owners of big channels. There are enough hackers around and people would even pay money to buy for such a channel a big amount of money.. |
You right, these are stable, but they are only stable to the point that the version they use isnt open source or at least Q isnt, hence no one other than quakenet own it. The public version is old and buggy before this is brought into the equation... so you are unlikely to find a network running identical services as quakenet to link to.
Why would someone pay money to take over a channel? There is no logic in that and as irc is free medium, we dont own the channel were are merly given the right to adminstrate it to and for our own purpse and needs. I've not once ever heard of someone pay for a channel takeover.
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It can be only lost if you break rules and an ircop removes you, or if there is some untrustworthy/corrupt ircop. . |
Things can be lost not just through breaking rules, other users break rules to trick you, virusus, trojans, there is many possibilities to getting a way around things not just rule breaking.
A perfect example of this was when barrysworld.com was linked into quakenet, something happened to the domain that it ended up in the hands of one individual user, who could of in all respect done a lot of damage to quakenet's account userbase of those who used @barrysworld.com email's with their Q account, this would of been an easy hack.
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Well a bug inside their software which is Open Source. Possible but right now it did not happen.. |
Again as i said, bugs only exist in certain form and certain envoronements. I've run the released public Q and it worked fine on one dist of linux until i moved it onto another where it performed to a state i stopped using it. Using old software is never recommended though as old software stays in the state it was left off operating systems change and things get broken amongst old source code during compile.
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| mouselike wrote: | | It wont reop them if they loose founder or access to the channel |
That`s clear. A founder must know all tricks of hackers to get his password. (faked bnc, faked service name and so on). |
This is not entirely true, newcomers are generally subject to being gullable, tricked into typing things, adding remotes, loading scripts or generally downloading scripts which contain backdoors and the user is non the wiser. Impersonating irc operators is a common one and as said new comers wont see this and will just give out the password not knowing any different.
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| mouselike wrote: | | You can run the best virus/proxyscanner there is, but every software has its limitations to what it can do and even a larger scale of proxy's and virusus will always slip through. |
I don`t say it must stop 100% of all personal controlled attacks. Same... On quakenet them installed over years a very good proxyscan which scans the common proxy ports. The spam even in big channels from automatic spam drones are very very rare now. The amount of spam query's decreased a lot, it was really worth to do so. It was really worth to use the new system even if it can`t stop 100% of spam.
Just because hackers or spamers *can* overcome the new system it`s still worth to make it harder for them. If you fight you can lose but if you don´t fight you have already lost. |
Again quakenet's source has been completly overhauled or modified to the extent it is completely workable to quakenet, but you or any other network inc me will never likely see how it's coded, as for spamscan that was also made an obsolete source but made available. For things to be made available to the extent they are barely workable says a lot and should be taken into consideration.
but since when did irc networks become virus scanners, iirc qnet at least did/or was scanning for only the moderate virsus and ones that effected irc only, the user him/her self has a due responsibility to keep their pc clean and safe.
IRC isnt meant for fighting, if you intend to force virus,spam or proxy detections then shouldnt you try and accomidate the user to rectify the problem first, rather than "fight" back. If i had a virus on my pc not knowing and connected to your network and ended up in a "fight" with you when i wasnt none the wiser, do you think id come back? Nope i wouldnt and id quite gladly move else where.
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| mouselike wrote: | | These are quite odd requriements to say the least. |
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My thoughts too when i saw the requirements lol |
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Pingu
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Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 5:48pm Post subject: Re: looking for network with... |
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| mouselike wrote: | | Why would someone pay money to take over a channel? There is no logic in that and as irc is free medium, we dont own the channel were are merly given the right to adminstrate it to and for our own purpse and needs. I've not once ever heard of someone pay for a channel takeover. |
I must admit it's a new one on me. And im of the same opinion as you on this. |
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shaneeh
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| Posted: Oct 09, 2007 7:32pm Post subject: Re: looking for network with... |
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| mouselike wrote: | | This is not entirely true, newcomers are generally subject to being gullable, tricked into typing things, adding remotes, loading scripts or generally downloading scripts which contain backdoors and the user is non the wiser. Impersonating irc operators is a common one and as said new comers wont see this and will just give out the password not knowing any different. |
Sure. There are many tricks. But there also many tricks to avoid takeovers. If you are interested in that subject ask me to create a thread about that, I would be glad to get feedback about my ideas.
| mouselike wrote: | | Why would someone pay money to take over a channel? There is no logic in that and as irc is free medium, we dont own the channel were are merly given the right to adminstrate it to and for our own purpse and needs. I've not once ever heard of someone pay for a channel takeover. |
Well, the biggest channels on quakenet are very active. If you own that channels you can op a bot, he will set +m-c + advertise for some sponsor or something you promote + -m+c. You can also advertise in Topic / Q-Welcome. (For example to sell servers, bots or bouncers.)
I might add I would love to see quakenet to forbid any kind of timed advertise message, topic or q welcome advertisements for commercial products.
If you take the channel you can also take a new sponsor. Channels bring some money or money-alike things such as root/v-server (a clan would host a free voice server, gaming servers, bouncers, bots and so on and save a lot of money).
Also people feel cool when they drive in a well styled and expensive car. Same for irc, them feel cool if them are opped in big channels.
That`s the reason why people do all to hack channels and why people might buy them. |
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bubblez6000
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Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| I know at PhantomIRC we are planning on upgrading our website to include a chat. Now our web team has not quite decided on which exact one it is going to be in the end and when it is gonna happen however we are here if you need us. We use Unreal3.2.6 with Anope and modules for anope. As for spam we have two bots scanning an opsb and a bopm at the same time. As welll Warez is illegal and strictly prohibited (Not on the website, however, it will be soon). Not to mention one of the opers would be glad to assist you in any way you need help so come check us out if your interested |
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mouselike
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| Posted: Oct 10, 2007 3:03pm Post subject: |
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there still aint any logic in buying or paying someone to take over a channel when #somechan can rename easily enough to #some-other-chan and more often or not large channels have far better oper assistance and 9 times out of 10 the channel rightful owner will be reinstated with the channel service bot in that channel.
Again why would a channel have a sponsor also, if the channel is created its created either with the intend to be personal, clan, wares or a channel affilated with a online service/game etc outside of irc. The networks to us are a sponsor, they make no money from hosting irc, infact they lose money so why on earth would a channel gain a sponsor.
No need to write a thread, i was on quakenet since the very dawn of the network when things were P9, q requirements were relaxed, when Q split other users could change their nick to Q and watch blatenly stupid people /MSG Q AUTH <PASS> etc and when the network sufficed only 200 users over its entire network. I can see your logic in what your saying, but as said new comers are gullable and there just aint no getting through to them until they lose a channel. I've seen it all types of takeovers, gullable users, encrypted methods of users sending their auth password to other users etc.
A bot wont neccessarly set +m-c unless instructed too i.e eggdrop bots will only set +nt as default global modes, where do you get it from that a bot will set +m-c?
Channels dont bring money, channels bring users who take themself's to what ever service they want, dont confuse irc channels with revenue as they arnt, if someone is operating a dedicated service from irc only then they deserve the right to be open and vunerable to people wanting to disrupt the service.
If however they host a service, they would in general need a server to do it on yeh? so surely then they would use a littl more of the server resources and just load httpd and create a service website, and sorry to say every provider i am with does so, they only use irc for support and chat not for the full works.
Tbh i think you are misleading irc as something it could of become if it wernt for the kiddies but rather than something it isnt and never will be, yet you expectations of requirements are so high and impossible to match or rather are met already to a certain standard you arnt going to get any better than current standards.
Its not just how the services, ircds or opers perform that effects the stability and security of what you want but how well they were coded, setup by their maintainer, the box security itself, the stability and the amount of uplinks the servers peer has etc. Sorry for the long post and wasnt intended to look like banter. |
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shaneeh
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| Posted: Oct 10, 2007 6:43pm Post subject: |
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| mouselike wrote: | | there still aint any logic in buying or paying someone to take over a channel when #somechan can rename easily enough to #some-other-chan and more often or not large channels have far better oper assistance and 9 times out of 10 the channel rightful owner will be reinstated with the channel service bot in that channel. |
For example, from #1on1 - #5on5, this channels are for counter strike. Them are very active. Them can be never moved to other names. People who are looking there for wars will never join another channel. Many people have tried to make other war channels with very little success.
Lost accounts and lost owners are officially not supported on quakenet (it stands on their website). If an ircop is your friend you are lucky, if someone has good fancy and gives you a ticked to #feds (the oper chan) and the ircop has also good fancy you may get the original owner restored. But that`s luck, normal lost channels are not support. The standard answer is "create a new one".
| mouselike wrote: | | Again why would a channel have a sponsor also, if the channel is created its created either with the intend to be personal, clan, wares or a channel affilated with a online service/game etc outside of irc. |
Well, a discussing channel for "cars" #cars won`t get a sponsor. A clan`s channel also won`t get a channel. (a clan may get a sponsor if them have a very well visited homepage, ranks, fame and so on)
But a big channel, such as a war channel can get a sponsor.
| mouselike wrote: | | A bot wont neccessarly set +m-c unless instructed too i.e eggdrop bots will only set +nt as default global modes, where do you get it from that a bot will set +m-c? |
I think you missunderstand me. I post a log. #2on2 on quakenet, you can see it yourself. It don`t take long, while I was writing this message I saw a low of ads already there by the ops.
[02:33:05] * |2on2| sets mode: -c+m
[02:33:05] <@|2on2|> 0,2:: w*w.g-portal*de - EPS Server (1000 FPS, Quad-Core), Gameserver (Pingboost 2, Dual-Core), Gameroot & more ::
[02:33:05] <@|2on2|> 0,2:: EPS Server 15+1 Slot für 55 Euro !! • Gameserver ab 20,00 Euro • Gameroots ab 79,00 Euro • Ventrilo, HLTV all inkl. ::
[02:33:05] <@|2on2|> 0,2:: #g-portal • the number one first-class gamehoster ::
[02:33:06] * |2on2| sets mode: -m+c
#3on3 on qnet
[02:31:54] * FSHost-com sets mode: -c
[02:32:06] <@FSHost-com> 4,1›7›9›0 FrontSideHost 5‹›0 w*w.FSHost*com #FSHost - Performance in a new dimension! 5‹›0 News: 4 New Website released! 9‹7‹4‹
[02:32:07] * Alinas (~FisT1988@p57BC48C1.dip.t-dialin.net) Quit (Signed off)
[02:32:20] * FSHost-com sets mode: +c
#3on3 on qnet, someone got kicked for some rule violating
[02:31:01] * B4Y-SEC sets mode: +b *!~asddas@p57A75D4E.dip.t-dialin.net
[02:31:01] * Info: This *!~asddas@p57A75D4E.dip.t-dialin.net ban affects onur125
[02:31:03] * onur125 was kicked by B4Y-SEC (1,7 w*w.Bouncer4You*com - #Bouncer4You - Short-News : Bouncer und Eggdrops mit großer Auswahl an vHosts zu tiefpreisen! - De-Domains ab 0,70€, Com-Domain 0,99€ )
What I mean is. 1. set mode -c+m (allow colors, disallow talking for all but ops and voiced users) 2. advertise in colors 3. set mode +c-m (disallow colors and all users may write again).
That`s a colored advertising message. And that is what sponsors want you to do for them.
| mouselike wrote: | | Channels dont bring money |
Big channels *can* get a sponsor. A sponsor can give your "money-alike" things.
You "just" need a big channel such as #3on3. Bouncer4you will come and make an offer. You have to write their advertisements into the topic and them will give you something (maybe 10 bouncers or a game server free in price).
Sponsor use the channels to post advertisements. People may click on the site and might buy a product.
To be an op in a very big channel is a good place to host some "legal advertisements".
Like said. Advertising/Spaming is forbidden on qnet, but if an op is advertising in his own channel then it`s tolerated. It`s not much, but it`s a little money you can make with.
Some people even will make offers to buy channels. Because them think it`s "cool" to be op there or because them think the sponsoring is worth.
[I needed to censor the ww_w to w*w and .co_m/de to *c_om in order to get this posted here.] |
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mouselike
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| Posted: Oct 11, 2007 2:21pm Post subject: |
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lol ok i aint going to argue, your right i am wrong even though what you just said isnt completly true.. obviously you arnt going to accept the fact the stuff your saying is the first we have heard of and just doesnt make any sense at all.
However what I would like to suggest is your appraoch to this whole thing is still unethnical, if you or any large channel use a channel for revenue, sponsorship or to earn any other creditability and have possible chanop hackers waiting then you may aswell go win the lottery, give me your sort code, account number, bank card and pin number because thats relatively what is happening.
..... I give up with newbs |
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bctrainers
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| Posted: Oct 11, 2007 5:30pm Post subject: |
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shaneeh, I have sent you a PM.  |
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