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Fireman1061
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Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Posts: 59
Location: In Hell
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 Posted: Aug 16, 2004 6:50pm Post subject: IRC Networks |
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Hey all,
Im writing a post in This fourm, to let everbody know my mind on IRC Network, Things Im seeing since I started using IRC (1 year Ago today)
Im fairly new at to IRC, but over the year I have spent on IRC, I have seen Networks born, Demolished, Peoples computers hacked, ddosed, and lost of things that makes me wonder, why oh why would someone putup with all that bs, and stay on IRC?
But I have also seen, some good things come out of IRC, like helping establish a network, and watching it grow, and Meeting new freinds. Finding old freinds, hangout on irc, And just meeting new people everday.
I know how hard it is to run an IRC Network, cus Im running one. It takes paticents, ingunuity,Dedication and a little bit of faith. Running an Successfull irc network doesnt come overnight, though some people think it does, It also takes someone who is not going to just giveup when life thoughs you a curveball, and sends you network down the tubes, You just have to rebuild and make your self stronger and wiser. I guss it helps to show you where you could improve your network when this happens.
I have also experince some good people on IRC and some bad eggs. You just have to learn to trust, and be trusted.
As for Warez on IRC, People are for it, and there people against it, My veiws are that warez are ok let the network choise to alow it or not, the people dl and sharring the warez are ultimatly responsible for there actions. We have bigger problems on IRC Networks, The people that create theses ddos bots, and the bots that just connect and take up an connection slot. So why worried about the few 100's of Warez network, and Work together as a community of IRC Networks to stop or prevent ddos attacks and Attacks on users buy the hacking communy.
I guss Its just that I think of IRC Network as a Community, and Ddossing as a terrorest that threating not on one community,but IRC Networks as a whole could be better off without the ddos and flooding attacks.
Then maby we could concern our time on Warez, and have a civilized debate on the legailty and ethical question on whater Warez should be alowed on IRC.
These are just 1 persons veiws.
As for all the New IRC Networks out there, It takes Time, Dedicaction, persiverance, and a williness to make it work that Ultimatly will alow you to make it, or break it.
Dont Give Up, or In in, Always strive to sucess and you will go far.
Sincerly
Fireman1061
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w00t
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Joined: 09 Jun 2004
Posts: 699
Location: Nowra, Australia
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| Posted: Aug 16, 2004 8:05pm Post subject: |
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Bah, I was thinking about doing one of these this morning.
Good job. When mine is done, I'll post it here  |
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hooiz
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Joined: 13 Apr 2004
Posts: 25
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| Posted: Aug 16, 2004 8:28pm Post subject: |
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dear jason and the searchirc staff...
is there any chance of getting a spell checker installed on this forum?
"ingunuity" pushed me over the edge.
thank you in advance
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ed
SearchIRC Staff
Joined: 25 May 2003
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Location: Baton Rouge, LA
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codemastr
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Joined: 05 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Aug 16, 2004 11:35pm Post subject: |
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| hooiz wrote: |
"ingunuity" pushed me over the edge.
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Really? It wasn't, "persiverance"?
Anyway, I disagree with just about everything he said. Why start an IRC network... There are many good reasons. You learn life lessons. The guy you mentioned who got hacked, I bet he learned it's a good idea to update his virus scanner, right? All those bad things in life teach you lessons. That's how we learn. Life is full of trial and error. But really, asking why would anyone start an IRC network is a bad question. Why do people do anything? Why do men and women date? Before you find the person you want to spend the rest of your life with, you'll probably find several that you fall in love with, then get your heart broken. So why do it at all? You will fail more than you succeed. Why have friends? Friends may not be as good as they seem, remember, the phrase "stabbed in the back" comes from Brutus stabbing Caesar with a dagger, Brutus was his good friend. If friends will betray you, why bother? Just about everything we do in life will often result in failure more often than success. But why does that mean we should stop trying? Imagine if Thomas Edison thought like that. Edison failed hundreds of times before successfully harnessing the power of light. Imagine if he gave up after try number 10. Where would we be today? Maybe it would have been 50 years before someone else came along and invented the lightbulb. But Edison did not give up, in fact Edison was more proud of the fact that he failed than he succeeded, he is the one who coined the phrase, "Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration," referring to the fact that he refused to give up.
IRC does have many positives. Before I started on IRC, I had never talked to anyone outside the United States. After IRC, I know people in Denmark, Holland, England, Germany, France, Brazil, Portugal, Scotland, Russia, Israel, and the list goes on. It puts the entire world at your fingertips. That's a very powerful thing. Isn't it worth striving for? Even if most fail, the one that succeeds will be doing a great favor to humanity in general. If you think the world is just the US, you're missing out on quite a bit. Being able to know the whole world, without ever leaving your desk, is a very great ability. This also affords you many resources. If I want to know some fact about Spain, who better to ask than a Spanish person? And you also get tons of resources at your disposal. I've gone to Windows help channels all the time. Without IRC I might have had to pay someone to help me with my problem, but IRC let me get advice in seconds, free of charge.
As for warez, why should we ignore it for now? DDoS is by no means something that just affects IRC. It affects the Internet as a whole. Knowledge of IRC is 100% irrelevant in combating DDoS. Knowledge of heuristics, AI, and networking. People at companies such as Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, and probably every other big PC company is hard at work on this problem. Someone who simply has knowledge in IRC and not those other fields won't solve the problem before those people do.
But if we can't fix DDoS, we shouldn't fix anything? Warez *is* a HUGE issue for IRC. It's first off an ethical issue. Should it be allowed at all? It's a legal issue as well. Will allowing warez on my server allow me to be sued by the RIAA? It's a very big issue, and unlike DDoS, it is one we can solve. So why shouldn't we? If we can't solve world hunger (a huge problem) we shouldn't try to solve a dispute between two neighbors (a small problem)? No, if you can't fix the big problems, you can at least try to solve the smaller problems. Saying once DDoS is solved, then worry about warez is like the smoker who says, "I'll quit tomorrow." Well tomorrow never comes. If we just put the warez problem off, we'll never wind up solving it. Why not address it here and no and solve the problem before it becomes an even bigger problem?
You say that running an IRC server is hard, and this is true. But I'm reminded of what John Kennedy said, "we choose to go to the moon not because it is easy, but because it is hard." Sometimes, the fact that something is hard is what makes it worth doing. If everything in life were easy, you would never have anything to be proud of. If running a successful IRC network was as simple as clicking a button and watching the network grow, would you feel proud when you broke that 1000 user mark? Probably not. However, if you're out working on your network every day, several hours a day, and you break the 1000 user mark, you bet you're going to feel proud, all your hard work as paid off! People enjoy challenging themselves so as to aspire to be something more than they are, if there was no such thing as a challenge, then we'd never be anymore than we are at this very moment. In which case I ask you this, what would be the point of going on? If everything in life was so easy, and required no effort from us, what's the point of living at all? |
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w00t
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Location: Nowra, Australia
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| Posted: Aug 17, 2004 5:32pm Post subject: |
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Another classic code post, encouraging thought as ever. I certainly agree with you.
If you set your aims too high, it is almost a given to fail.
Underpromise, overdeliver. |
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katsklaw
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Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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I just can't understand how one person can express a heart felt feeling about what THEY learned .. why THEY run an network ... what IRC has done and meant to THEM and what THEY have seen in the process .. and leave it to someone else to say he's wrong. Just plain stupidity.
Who cares if he can't spell? If you can't come up with a more constructive observation than "uhm .. you mispelled a few words" .. please do the mature thing and not post. Dare I say that this webboard is feeling more and more like alt.irc everyday.
I found true love on IRC .. I dare someone to prove me wrong.
PS Thank you for sharing your feelings Fireman1061. |
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Talrias
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| Posted: Aug 18, 2004 8:38am Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | | I found true love on IRC .. I dare someone to prove me wrong. |
Stolen shamelessly from qdb.us
HAHAHAHA that was me bitch! |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Aug 18, 2004 9:28am Post subject: |
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| never heard of qdb.us. |
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codemastr
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| Posted: Aug 18, 2004 10:25am Post subject: |
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| katsklaw wrote: | | I just can't understand how one person can express a heart felt feeling about what THEY learned .. why THEY run an network ... what IRC has done and meant to THEM and what THEY have seen in the process .. and leave it to someone else to say he's wrong. Just plain stupidity. |
So my saying he spelled words wrong is "unconstructive" but you saying my post is "plain stupidity" is constructive? Hmm I must be missing something. Despite the common belief, opinions can be wrong. Saying we should ignore warez because we can't fix DDoS is wrong. Saying that if something is hard, you should give up is wrong. If you don't like that, well too bad, you're wrong too. People like to prefix statements with "in my opinion," because they think that automatically makes them correct, but it doesn't. "In my opinion, 2+3 = 734.374," regardless of whether that is my opinion, it's still wrong! My point is simply this, if everyone said, "this is hard, lets all give up," we'd still be living in caves and freezing to death because we hadn't even developed the ability to start fire yet. We certainly wouldn't be able to communicate, since learning a language is hard. We'd basically still be monkeys. Having the opinion that this is a good thing is simply wrong.
| Quote: | | Who cares if he can't spell? If you can't come up with a more constructive observation than "uhm .. you mispelled a few words" .. please do the mature thing and not post. |
Yeah, God forbid hooiz or I inject a little humor into this conversation! I mean, clearly this forum is designed to solve all the problems of the world... oh it isn't? Well maybe that's why we were treating it as a joke, maybe you should try to do the same. And btw, I suggest you get your dictionary out and look up the word "few." According to MS Word, his post was 453 words. According to Word, he also had 45 misspellings. That's a hell of a lot more than "a few," in fact it means nearly 10% of his post was spelled wrong! You said if we can't take the time to come up with something better to say, don't post, well I say, if you can't take the time to run a 30second spell check on your post, don't bother. There is an old rule in politics, you can have the greatest ideas in the world, but it's meaningless if you can't present them well. He could be a very intelligent person, I don't know, but his lack of grammatical knowledge sure doesn't make it seem that way. Put it this way, if he came on here and said, "I b3z th1nks thatz IRCz h4rdz. W4r3z iz g00d 4nd D0SS is badz. Y d0 IRC 1f iz h4rdz?" would we be having this conversation? No. You'd completely agree with me that he sounds like he is a fool. Well when one does not take the time to run a simple spell check, that's how it makes one appear. The power of a statement is not in what one says, but in how one says it.
| Quote: | | I found true love on IRC .. I dare someone to prove me wrong. |
Good for you, however, no one even mentioned anything about finding love on IRC, so what does this have to do with anything? Why would we try to prove you wrong? You're not even talking about the right topic!
I found a baseball on my front lawn... I dare someone to prove me wrong. |
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darkrealmz
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I agree with alot of this, and disagree with alot of it. Starting an IRC Network does take hard work, dedication, and faith. But on the down side, if you get hacked, DDoS'd, and spammed, it does seem a little hopeless that anything is ever gonna become of what you build up.
I for one started my network cause I got tired of all the BS on Dalnet, and I wanted to have a place where my friends could all come together & chat. Building a successfull network is hard, I've been part of a few, and I've watched what others have gone through. But to me, if you can get work started and them work hard to get it going & keep it going, then to me it shows that you have patiance, and a straight head on your shoulders, not to mention it gives you a sence of proudness knowing of what you are acomplishing. I know it does for me anyway |
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v0rtex
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| Posted: Sep 28, 2004 3:27am Post subject: yup |
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| i agreewith codemaster and that guy above me |
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pepolez
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| Posted: Nov 12, 2004 8:38am Post subject: |
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why does everyone here have to be a comedian?  |
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radius
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| Posted: Nov 12, 2004 12:12pm Post subject: re. sense of humor |
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pepolez:
It's called having a sense of humor pepolez, you should try it sometime.
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marhazk
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Location: Somewhere in IntraNet..hehe
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| Posted: Jun 24, 2005 8:11am Post subject: |
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| lol. |
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