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58% |
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16% |
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| hybird |
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4% |
[ 1 ] |
| other (see post) |
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20% |
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al5001
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Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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 Posted: Mar 20, 2004 7:42pm Post subject: |
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| CR services have pretty good flood protection - I doubt they crashed because of that. Perhaps you were running on a slow connection. Another option would be to set the flood settings in the administration panel. By default, CR allows 20 lines of text in 2 seconds. You may want to change this to a lower setting, for example, 10 lines in 3 seconds before the user gets excess flood. Then set the server to akill for 60 minutes after 3 excess floods from the same user. |
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uchat
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Joined: 17 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Mar 21, 2004 10:12am Post subject: |
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I'll admit up front that it's been a few years since I've played with CR, however it's creator (Webmaster) is from DALnet. The original CR code was a DreamForge clone (Services included). So much a clone that CR could be linked to DreamForge, which DALnet dumped for Bahamut because of it's inability to handle large amounts of data sufficently.
With that said ... IF CR hasn't change 100% then it's based on FREE outdated software. Both Bahamut and DreamForge are available for Win32 as well as *nix platforms, so why spend thousands of dollars?
UPDATE: I just downloaded and browsed around the new version of CR, I don't see any feature that is all that special, let alone one worth $5000 (10,000 client) or even $1000 (1000 client).
There seems to be a few "toys" that don't normally apear in any of the existing GPL/BSD licensed Daemons. I'm sure that if one really needed those toys, they can be coded in for far less money. |
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codemastr
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Joined: 05 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mar 21, 2004 2:57pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't like CR myself, but from what I know it is not based on DF. If it was, the author could have been sued by DALnet. According to the author, it is written from scratch, and it's even written in C++ not C. The author also once claimed (on alt.irc) that he'd give any non-IRCd programmer, access to the source code to prove it if they sign an NDA.
I don't know how true that is, but that's what he claims. But there have always been rumours that CR was based on DF, but I've never actually seen any proof. |
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al5001
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Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mar 21, 2004 7:10pm Post subject: |
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The one feature I like in CR is the ZLINE feature. Yes, other IRCds have the zline command. CR is unique in that you *must* use an IP address. You cannot ZLINE any hostmask, nor ban the user@address like /zline *@127.0.0.1 <reason>... you must use ZLINE with the IP like /zline 127.0.0.1 <reason>...
The main thing I like about it is that I can ban IP ranges...
If I want to ban all IPs from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.55 and not ban 192.168.0.56, I would zline like this:
/zline 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.55 <reason>
This way, it gives me more control of which addresses to ban.
On top of that, the ZLINE acts like a firewall. When the user connects, if he is zlined, he will see this:
*** Connecting to servername (6667)
* Disconnected
He will not see any other info, it won't resolve the address to a hostname nothing.
Hybrid's DLINE is similar in that you see this when you are dlined:
*** Connecting to servername (6667)
ERROR You have been D-lined.
* Disconnected
On CR, it will make the user think that the server is down, so therefore he will probably stop trying to connect. This is a great security feature that no other IRCd has. Unrealircd has zline for sure, but it does not work as I expect.
1) ZLINE should be for IP ONLY... and no *@IP.. just IP.
2) ZLINE should support IP ranges (for example 192.168.0.6-192.168.0.50) |
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codemastr
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Joined: 05 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mar 22, 2004 10:13pm Post subject: |
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| al5001 wrote: | | 1) ZLINE should be for IP ONLY... and no *@IP.. just IP. |
Why? That's your opinion. I'd totally disagree. Why should it be more broad than it needs to be?
In a world of "one man - one IP" you're right, that would be fine. But that isn't how the world is. Consider an Internet Cafe. On one network I ran, we had an IC that gave us over 600 users at any given time. Each of these 600 users was connected from one of the IC's 3 IPs. Now, every now and then, one of these users would act up and need to be banned. But, if I banned the IP, I'd be getting rid of about 250-300 users who had done nothing wrong! Instead, I would ban username@theip and since the IC forced user's to always use the same username, I would only be banning the "bad user" and not the 300 users who did nothing wrong.
If you want to make a claim that something ought to be different than it is, you should back it up with some kind of reason.
| al5001 wrote: | | 2) ZLINE should support IP ranges (for example 192.168.0.6-192.168.0.50) |
The internet standard for matching IP ranges is to use CIDR (Classless Inter-Domain Routing). IPs are assigned to companies based on CIDR. When you take an IP and look it up in the ARIN database for example, you get a CIDR result that is assigned to that company. For example, I typed in "216.216.216.210" and got a result of "216.216.0.0/15." This means the owner of 216.216.216.210 owns IPs 216.216.0.0 - 216.217.255.255. Using "216.216.0.0/15" is the internet standard, it is the way you are supposed to address "ranges" of IPs. CR has decided to ignore this standard and instead do it its own way. If you go and look, you'll see, for example, that Hybrid supports CIDR based zlines. UnrealIRCd also has planned CIDR support, there are just some technical issues that must be overcome before we have it fully working. CIDR also has the benefit that it is fully compatible with IPv6. Doing a CIDR ban on an IPv6 address is done exactly the same way as doing it on an IPv4 address.
Basically, don't make like CR is the only IRCd that supports such things, it isn't. And in reality, in a standards sense, the way CR does it is wrong.
| al5001 wrote: | | On CR, it will make the user think that the server is down, so therefore he will probably stop trying to connect. This is a great security feature that no other IRCd has. |
Well first, I assume you are referring to drones/trojans/"Bottler"/etc. type things that autoconnect? I doubt such a feature would stop them. They are able to see the socket connect() call succeeds. They can tell that they did in fact detect an IRC server running on the IP:port that was specified. They'd be able to detect this as being a ban just as they would if it displayed a message.
But let's look at who it would confuse. What about the user who is a "false positive"? You zline 123.123.123.* to prevent drone bots that are coming from that IP class. However, the user who is 123.123.123.78 is not a drone, he is a regular user who has always chatted on your server, and he just wants to go and talk to his friends like he does everyday. But today, he tries to connect and he gets no reply from the server. He tries an hour later, no luck, a day later, no luck. After a month of trying to connect, he simply gives up and goes elsewhere. Now, if it showed "You are banned: drone bot, contact zline@network.com if you are banned in error" the problem would likely have been solved in a couple of hours (either they'd exempt him right away, or they'd instruct him to run a trojan scanner then afterwards unban him). But that's not what happened. Instead, he was tricked into thinking the server is gone and therefore never got to talk to his friends again.
That doesn't seem to provide any additional security, only more problems for users...
Moderator's Edit: Added quote tags for clarity. |
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Julio
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| Posted: Apr 07, 2004 9:54am Post subject: hmmm |
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hmmm the UltimatedIRCd is a modify version of UltimatedIRCd ...
can be guys
Julio give mode +sm
lol
JulioBell |
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Julio
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| Posted: Apr 07, 2004 9:58am Post subject: |
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Yes, I link Unrealircd with CR, with Bahamut, with wIRCd, it's only know about networking, for Webmaster, Inc, a credit card, please ... they sell keys, we don't sell to them ...
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Julio
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| Posted: Apr 07, 2004 10:03am Post subject: About services |
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Yes, CR have 4, my network 15 services, and can have more ...
It's only type open data ... exist a pureDragon for all us
JulioBell, ... |
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DjMadness-
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Joined: 10 Jan 2004
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| Posted: Apr 07, 2004 10:06am Post subject: |
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| Anonymous wrote: | | al5001 wrote: | The services are built into the server. You can enable or disable them depending on if you are main hub on the network or not.
You can custom code modules for the IRCd, then add them with /as funtion <name> <file.so|file.dll>
Nobody needs to examine the code for CR. It was coded by the best IRCd coders from DALnet.
$5000 is for enterprise edition. $1000 is professional edition.
Professional edition has just about everything except OperServ, MemoServ (yes it has memoserv but it only lets you send memos to the buddy list on professional edition), stream server (live conference), moderated events, SSL encryption and few other things.
Basically, if you have professional edition, you should link the server to a hub server which has enterprise so you can use OperServ and MemoServ. |
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why pay for an IRCd when u can get it for free ?
you could modify an ircd to suite your own needs, end even if u want u could just make the same features as CR has.
Services you could e.g use ircservices or anopa ect.
SSL encryption, UnrealIRCd has that, TotalIRCd has that, Liquidircd has that
Memoserv is not limited in IRCservices/Anope u can specify the limit your self.
what more can u ask for ?
its all out there in other software |
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ed
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Joined: 25 May 2003
Posts: 367
Location: Baton Rouge, LA
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| Posted: Apr 07, 2004 2:46pm Post subject: |
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Why would you pay for Windows, when you can get Linux for free?
Why would you pay for Photoshop, when you can get GIMP for free? |
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Guest
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| Posted: Apr 11, 2004 8:43pm Post subject: YOu want a goddy> |
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| You want a good IRCD that networks could actually rely on? Dnacer-IRCD. Developed by Freenode.net and you can't beat it. Fedora, freebsd and heck lotta other networks use it. It's the best. For example connect to: niven.freenode.net and goto #fedora (the official redhat's Fedora channel). ConferenceRoom is fancy. Any way a serious professional would never use IRCD for conference. YOu would probably go with Yahoo Enterprise Messenger or other web Conference (char+videao+audion+damn clar). |
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uchat
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Joined: 17 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Apr 11, 2004 9:24pm Post subject: |
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I doubt Dancer-IRCd has been tested with 40k users on one IRCD on a production network.
Bahamut has. |
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Beesty
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| Posted: Apr 12, 2004 8:22am Post subject: zline problem |
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Hi,
Actually we're running a network of 4 linked servers, using the CR software.
As said before, there are many ways of zline an user
ofcourse you can use the zline command: /zline <reason>
But another one said, another ircd is better, since we can use ident@ip (for Dline thought).. to not get out a whole internet cafe..
With CR operserv you can get them all:
if you cant to zline someone using the zline command, it works fine.
if you want to zline someone using the ident@ip .. it works fine too
And if the user his ip should be resolved later, he will get out too, since Operserv has an IP resolver for hostnames.
But, it's normal all ircd's prefer theyre own likely software or freeware, which need to be respected   |
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JulioBell[worried]
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| Posted: Apr 15, 2004 5:20am Post subject: about some polices |
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Yes, some users don't know somethinf about all the version of IRC, CR of Webmaster INC have some commands in their adminserv, with /as key ...
They, that say himself that are IRCops, oper themselef, and delete database of nicks and chans of other networks, making DDoS atacks and colateral danger to other equipments. If they want their product reseved, please why don't retire this product of the publics FTPs. It's a dangerous play.
Of course, in some countries this is illegal, in my case, European Union Country, They don't have the correct passarel of pay for make sells by internet.
JulioBell
GNU/GPL core developer |
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Julio[me]
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| Posted: Apr 15, 2004 6:04am Post subject: about what is IRC, I want explain something |
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IRC is a protocol with base in the RFC1459, of course exist others after, but the process of renew is a think of the P-10 protocol, and the next standars, for type ..
Exist other but the process of renew this documments are our own job. The last documments was of the year 2002, and I see now one movement for renew.
About what is what, this is a job, of the IRTF, IETF and of course a work of the Intetnet Arquitecture Board. We have a new oportunity very early, tools like msn chats, or iChat, or other tools must have their voice too in the international forums. And this is ever more important than personal opinions.
The next mounth in may, in Barcelona (Spain) the ISOC is going to do a important job of renew, in a important conference .
Please, I want invite to all the IRC world to visit the http://www.isoc.org pages and review the information about the new iNet, ..
All the future is in our own hands
JulioBell |
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