Your Favorite IRCd

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Yeah, it is a bit different. But only IRC Ops (with a special oper flag) can use the streaming server. So channels can be free for anyone to use, but to participate in a channel with live conference you can have the users pay for that and invite them to the room, or add them UOp so they can use /cs invite chan.

You don't have to use the stream server, but as I said, its an advancement in IRC.

I personally like to use Bahamut, but nothing really compares to conferenceroom, other than the advantage that other servers are free.

exOdus · none Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 10

Yeah.. it's a pity that ConferenceRoom is so overpriced.

HyperionX · none Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 7

Why would you use ConferenceRoom. There are good open source IRCds out there.. So far my favs are Unreal and Ultimate. I guess I like Ultimate because I have been using it for a while and am used to it. And I love Unreals modular design.

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

The problem with open source is crackers can figure out how to exploit the software. Another is the fact that too many people have ripped code from IRCd's to take credits out and that creates problems. Conferenceroom has programmed features which everyone would want to rip for their own IRCd. This is probably the main reason that it isn't open source.

Guest · Posted: Mar 01, 2004 3:59pm Post subject:

actually people examine open source code so fix exploits quicker Very Happy

i dont see many people using open source to hack people Razz

not knowing the source code limits you, also i believe you cant have custom services on ConferenceRoom?

i went on the webiste and 5000$ for ConferenceRoom, wtf?

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

The services are built into the server. You can enable or disable them depending on if you are main hub on the network or not.

You can custom code modules for the IRCd, then add them with /as funtion <name> <file.so|file.dll>

Nobody needs to examine the code for CR. It was coded by the best IRCd coders from DALnet.

$5000 is for enterprise edition. $1000 is professional edition.

Professional edition has just about everything except OperServ, MemoServ (yes it has memoserv but it only lets you send memos to the buddy list on professional edition), stream server (live conference), moderated events, SSL encryption and few other things.

Basically, if you have professional edition, you should link the server to a hub server which has enterprise so you can use OperServ and MemoServ.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Well, I guess if someone ponies up a grand and links to you, its very unlikely they will leave-unless of course they start their own network.

I have a feeling though that new links are hard to come by with that kind of an entry price though.

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Generally speaking, servers that run Conferenceroom often never shut down. I guess after you pay $1000 or $5000 for a server you won't want to get rid of it.

I see it as the $1000 is for the IRCd+built-in proxy scanner+services+LDAP memory manager (professional edition), then the $3500 is for the stream server for live conference and the $500 is for OperServ/MemoServ and SSL encryption (enterprise edition).

I agree this software may be overpriced, however, it all comes down to the programmer. The ones that made this software put lots of time and effort creating it.

I do believe it is worth the money. Especially considering the amount of work that was put into the ChatNow java applet to make it faster/better than the previous java applets.

I don't think I will be purchasing this software for a while. Maybe in the upcoming years when they have made the built-in proxy scanner, stream server and SSL encryption more efficient. Until then, I will use alternative software such as Bahamut IRCd.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

I wouldn't blame you. 1 GRRR is alot of IRCd shell time, heck thats probably a year of 2-3 shells to run IRCd on Smile

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Yes, CR uses tons of processes... you can't run it from a normal "ircd shell account", it must be run with no process limits... dedicated box or your own computer.

For location and stability purposes, it's best to buy a server/box, rent a T1 line and host CR on your own box.

It's better to use your own box... you will have more security from others viewing your files and no stupid limits like normal shell accounts have.

If you hosted CR on a remote box, the provider could steal your key (professional or enterprise) for his own use by reading your database files. This could even get a lawsuit against you when the coders of CR find another server with the same serial number, then you're fried. - As I said, avoid remote hosting (except if you have the CR coders host it on their servers) and you will not have those problems.

HyperionX · none Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 7

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

It has no problems. It uses lots of processes, however uses very little CPU time. I run it on a 200mhz box. What problems? The only thing I see as a problem is the fact that your shell provider can crack your key if he/she decides to snoop through your files. I do not trust shell providers. I will host it on my own box thank you. :)

Another is the fact that shell providers often get attacked, so the server may go down and not even be your fault. Run it on your own box and you can save many problems.

Plasma · Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 63

Having switched from CR for our network to UltimateIRCd, im mostly happy with the switch (besides a few querks I dont like about UltimateIRCd, specifically the command process delay if you send multiple commands at once) I like the IRCd.

Also, services can easily be crashed on CR - this is why we switched...

We found users simply spammed services with requests and they would netsplit (or so it seamed) and remove each users chanop and then reop them on join, very weird...

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Plasma · Newbie Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Posts: 63

They were intentional crashes by some users - I believe they sent massive ammounts of commands to the services (multiple users to multipel services) and they just collapsed.