Your Favorite IRCd

HyperionX · none Joined: 26 Feb 2004 Posts: 7

Just curious. We use a modified version or Ultimate

ed · Posted: Feb 26, 2004 11:55am Post subject:

This should give you a good feel: http://searchirc.com/ircd-versions

openglx · none Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 28

PTlink software rulez :)

We use PTlink IRCd and Services, any network admin should give it a look :)

http://www.PTlink.net/

Jay · none Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 43

Played with PTlink, but it isn't as good as unreal.

Unreal with anope services seem to do the trick pritty good.

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Conferenceroom is my favourite IRCd. It has just as many features as most IRCds, including its own proxy scanner, and built-in *stable* services. vHosts only go to operators when they oper up, unlike other ircds where everyone and his dog has their own vhost/fake hostname.

wassup · Guest

erm that comment is incorrect. on a lot of IRCds there is no hostmasking, and on others you can enable or disable it. spoofs are set through I lines which is a much safer method of opering up because you can only oper up if you have the right spoof (giving you an extra layer of security).

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Spoof/vhost, unprofessionalism. Hostmasking is usermode "x" on CR, and you can set it so users get +x on connect from a client profile and prevent them from being able to unset mode "x". still keeps your original hostname intact so people know if you have AOL, roadrunner, adelphia, etc. When you do /oper you get a staff hostname (if you enabled it). There is no other way to change your host on CR, which makes it feel like its a professional IRCd. Another one is less operator ranks, as well as no extra unneeded channel/user modes or operator commands.

CR has its own java applet built into it, with a new feature called a streaming server, which allows java users to watch a video/webcam while chatting on IRC. No other IRCd has developed video conferencing.

When unrealircd comes out with its own built in java applet and a streaming server for video conference, I might decide to switch back to unrealircd.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Yeah thats just what unreal needs, live video cybersex.

No thanks Smile

And why would you want to use the IRCd to transmit such traffic? Should that be client to client?

ed · Posted: Feb 28, 2004 2:30pm Post subject:

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

It helps if you use it for educational purposes. Many people are using online tutoring these days. Online tutorials to learn correspondence courses are becoming more popular.

"U", if you are attracted to cybersex, then video conference may be for you if you wish to watch pornography. I went to your network and in /list all I seen was porn channels. Explains the type of network you run, as well as your views toward the purpose of video conference.

However, I believe video conference is beneficial to those in third world countries whom could use it to learn courses online without having to move to another area to attend school/college. Conferenceroom enterprise also offers encrypted chat on the java client, so it is safe to send your credit card number through it in case you are ordering items online, or just wish to have more privacy.

Remote hospitals which are located in isolated areas and lack qualified personnel also require video conference to do their job by the help of another hospital online.

Shopping online can be hard if you don't see what the product looks like before you buy it. Even normal photos can be faked. Live conference is too difficult to fake, since it happens in real time.

There is too many to list, however, you should look at it in a positive manner, not a negative one.

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Ed:

Conferenceroom does hide part of your hostname or IP if you have usermode +x. For hostnames, they are masked like this:

Guest89324 is java@=RLMGT19869.nt.net * Java User

IP addresses (which don't resolve to a hostname) look like this:

Guest68375 is java@209.226.90.yq054= * Java User

To comment on an interview from Jarkko Oikarinen:

dj4aces · none Joined: 25 Feb 2004 Posts: 10

I believe the point that was trying to be made was this:

IRC is a text-only medium. IRC can be used on any operating system with a terminal (telnet, for instance) program. What exactly are the benefits of adding video conferencing to IRC? This isn't what IRC was designed to do.

Of course, on the other side of the subject ... IRC wasn't designed to distribute files to the masses either, yet this is what seems commonplace nowdays.. ¬.¬

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

All I have to say is that I don't censor my users. So what if some of my larger channels are porn related? Thats my business. And you're wrong by the way, I think I have THREE porn channels out of 150-so explain to me how that makes my network ENTIRELY CONSISTING OF THEM. Exaggeration perhaps? Just like you exagerate about CR to make it sound so good. Heck, if you look close enough, you'll see on my network that the porn channel is the THIRD largest, the other 2 don't even have anything to do with porn. Nice low blow there.

By the way, have you taken a look at the popular video chat mediums? Such as cuseeme, or the M$ one? Take a look at those lists. I didn't say "cybersex" because I'm into it-I said it because most people using public videoconfrencing software now are on those things waiting for people to get naked for them. Its a fact, take a look yourself. I didn't say that because I was trying to attack the fact you have it, my point simply was thats what alot of people use it for. You can't go on ANY chat medium nowadays without seeing ASL, wanna cyber and stuff. Its everywhere, having the video capability just expands that stuff beyond chat, which to me is out of the realm of IRC. Video doesn't equal chat. Handy tool, yes, but not technically a IRC product. Sure its noble that you could have education across it, but how many schools will use a IRC network for that when they could use a dedicated, closed controlled video confrencing solution with the end users connecting to each other?

And I can tell you right now, the last thing I would want to send across a CHAT network is my credit card. No way. How am I to know you are a reputable operator? You run the server, so no matter how encrypted, you hold the keys to the encryption, right? Sorry, I'll do my credit card transactions via a website with a known reputable company.

My point is, IRC is IRC, not videoconfrencing. The last I heard also, videoconfrencing takes alot of bandwidth-so you're going to pay for that bandwidth, correct? If it goes through the server you surely are. Heck, a 1000 user network can easily burn through 25GB a month of bandwidth-who would want to also take on the load of live video feeds? I suppose you can afford this though-whats the registration fee for CR? Couple hundred bucks? I would hope you aren't running a HACKED version....so that means you paid for it. Must be nice. Little guys like me don't have hundreds of bucks to toss around to pay for an IRCd.....

I mean its all fine and good you like CR, but I wasn't ATTACKING you, I was making a point, then you low blow me with your comments. Thats fine-I don't care what you think about MY network, all I know is that I don't use CR. I think the software sucks. I think any IRC network ran on windows is inherantly unstable due to the fact that all it takes is the owner of said box installing or running a bad file to cause the box to be backdoored, and thus the configuration files exposed to said hacker.

Also, what makes hostmasking so lame? I'm sure your users appreciate the fact that anyone can go onto your network, /whois them, obtain their IP, and attack them? I mean, thats what can happen, right? Thats why hostmasking was invented. As for people having vhosts they have a right to-wouldn't it be a good idea to market towards the same people who use IM programs that allow them colored text, snazzy icons, etc? Just because you don't like that, doesn't mean that others don't. That means I'm trying to cater to my USERS needs, things THEY have asked for. I listen to my users, I don't sit and say "this is the way it is, deal with it".

You have a right to your opinion, but don't start attacking me because I don't agree with your opinions on IRCd. I agree to disagree. We could poke holes in CR or Unreal for days. No need to get on with the personal remarks though. If you want to debate IRCd's, fine, stick to the facts of the IRCd's. If you want to get personal, then we probably should take the debate off this forum since this is a IRC forum not a personal bashing forum.

Perhaps we should stick to the topic at hand?

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

Lets get to the point. Running a type of IRCd depends on what you wish to use it for. As I said, conferenceroom has taken measures to put video conference in the software. It is useful for online classrooms, and also if you want mainly java users from a website. You can control spambots and clone attacks by setting the server to java clients only. Yes, be warned, the video conference takes a huge amount of bandwith, which is why it would only work if you charged a profit for users watching the video.

Conferenceroom does mask hostnames with usermode +x so that others cannot see your real hostname/IP. However, my argument was about the fact that on unrealircd (and many other IRCds), the /CHGHOST and /VHOST commands (along with a hostserv service) are often abused, and should never be coded into the IRCd, as well I don't like having any host changing abilities except for opers, which all opers should have the same hostname when they do /oper.

I don't run a cracked version of conferenceroom. In fact, I just use a trial version and check out its abilities.

Every time I go to a network and see someone with a hostname that says:

leet@I-am-leet.leet.h4x0rs.com

Or some crap like that, I get totally turned off. I like the ability to see at least part of the person's hostname.

For opers, I dont mind if I see something like:

admin@=Yhn5Jh.domain.com

Where domain.com is the domain name of the server. Then it is easier to tell who is an oper without having to type /whois nick.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Ok, see, thats where I see it deviating from what IRC is, a free internet resource-if you charge for things, you're no longer in the scope of IRC, at least in my opinion. Ok, you could market it as a free service, but look at all the abuse, spam, etc you get on IRC-so you can't isolate those users paying for services from it.

Dunno....just doesn't click in my book. Whatever though, just flogging a dead horse a bit more here anyway.