Poll: Do users prefer a network with warez or chat?

Xavier_Hawthore · Newbie Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Posts: 53 Location: Texas

I was wanting to get feedback on what a user perfers, a network with massive amount of "Warez" or a network where IRC is how it should be, a place to chill/chat

Horizon · Posted: Jun 22, 2003 8:47am Post subject:

Personally I prefer to use irc for chatting. Illegal files have their place.. dont get me wrong, but i'd prefer to chat on a network where there are semi-intelligent people to talk to rather then fserv / xdcc drones.

Xavier_Hawthore · Newbie Joined: 10 Jun 2003 Posts: 53 Location: Texas

i couldnt agree more.. file sharing brings those who know how to DDoS/SYN/Hack/Etc its lame.. and stupid

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

This question is totally subjective anyway. For those who use IRC to chat, chat is the obvious choice. For those who use it to distro and/or get files, the other option is the obvious choice.

I think if you looked at it by a user perspective (ie, how many doing each) warez would win, but thats only because you'd have to count all the bots spewing Fserve/FTP info.

Not that I support it, but I don't see file trades going away on IRC soon. At least IRC gives you the ability to ban people from your channel that you don't like so you don't have to see the warez stuff if you don't want to.

Do I agree with warez traders? Not really. Do I ban them? No, I just make them liable for their own actions. Probably why I don't have many on my network either-they don't want to be responsible for what they are doing.

The ddos, etc could be stopped simply if ISPs would take responsibility for their own users actions. The problem is, most ISPs are overworked, and the people that do the stuff know this-most complaints I submit take easily weeks to be checked into, and by then its hard to prove the person who did it actually did it. The bottom line is most ISPs are out for profit-more employees cuts into the bottom line, and most of them won't do much as long as the person pays the monthly bill. Unfortunately, that means if you want to run a network, you have to pay more to get an ISP that has countermeasures for attacks. Alot of shell providers have gone out of business because of the few that decide to use them to abuse.

Its not going away anytime soon, definetely. The unfortunate reality is you almost have to allow just about anyone on your network, you akill the wrong person and you get attacked. Thats why I've had to take the stance of, ok, you can do whatever you want, but whoever owns the channel or whoever is in it-is responsible for it. Thats about all you can do. Also, if you say you're going to report people who attack-do it. Alot of networks have these kind of policys and don't follow up on them. I contact shell providers and ask them to give me info, and I go after them. Its alot of work and stuff, but sometimes a "kiddie" will stop when their parents get an email from the ISP asking about behavior. Daddy won't be too happy if the DSL line he needs for work at night gets turned off because Junior got mad at an IRC network for an akill........

CC · none Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 6

Just my thought... IRC stands not internet relay chat!

YonderBoY^ · Guest

The IRC way is wery powerfull, easy and fast, umm what i can say its perfect for chat/gaming clan meetings/and online help Smile

iigor · Newbie Joined: 18 Jul 2003 Posts: 86 Location: Toronto, CA

Ofcourse, small chat networks rule =) like irc.searchirc.org :lol:

minus_90 · Guest

i never talk to a soul on irc, i use it purely for warez i love it, i can get any file i want, any game any tv show. and its great lately i've been getting the tv show dead like me because i dont get the channel here in toronto and it'll be another year or 2 b4 it comes to tv here, i dont think it is such a crime, sure i could go and pay $80 for a crappy game but i dont have $80. i do think ppl should be paid for there hard work but they still are i'm ripping off heartless corprations who would step over there own mother for a dollar.

[DiMENSiON] · Eleet Joined: 06 Sep 2003 Posts: 621

Chat networks kick ass!!!! I did serv on a warez chan once but then i saw the light! It was back to real IRC.. Long live IR"Chat"!

Michael · none Joined: 18 May 2003 Posts: 48

SiD · Newbie Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 60 Location: Australia

sirmeph · Newbie Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Posts: 67

well ive been asking myself that question for years and so tomorrow i will be answering that we are going to open a CHAT net no warez and we will have games like conquest and irc chess i cant wait till tomorrow out official grand opening we are experienced in running networks and will be adding the most important elements FUN and CHAT see you tomorrow hope you all will visit and support the CHAT nets

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Your idea of a 'pure chat only' network is not new-Dalnet instituted this a few months, well, about 10 months, ago.

Good luck with it-just keep in mind that in the landscape that is IRC these days, you're gonna be blocking out about 75% of your potential users by blocking what you're blocking Smile

Thats ok though, there are plenty of networks out there that will still allow it, so they will still have places to go Smile

I know you have the idea that chat only is a pure IRC network, but things do change-what IRC is today is simply what it has manifested itself into. Don't get me wrong-maybe your network will do well, but, like it or not, IRC is what it is today-warez included. If you don't like it you don't have to use that part of it-I personally don't-but I don't know if telling people they can't do that helps either Smile

angelic · Lurker Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Posts: 148

You have to be very careful with actively moderating warez channels.

It really isn't as simple as coming up with a catchy slogan.

There's a good discussion about this on /. from around the time dalnet decided to close all their warez channels.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/04/055250&mode=thread&tid=95

specifically have a read at the "bad idea" replies (once you get past the bitching) it gives you a lot of things to think about.

Toni // angelic

PS. I wasn't spamming, sorry if it's viewed that way.

Wiggle · Newbie Joined: 01 Nov 2003 Posts: 81

U, in response to your post. I'm convinced that warez have, unfortunately, become a "part of the IRC landscape". Though, that does not mean that servers not allowin warez are not going to be succesful. If we look at the vote here (of course only a selection of people), we see that a lot of people just like to "Chat". So I do not think it's a "needed feature" for an IRC network.

What I don't understand though, is that when the vote is as it is right now, chat > warez, how can it be that most new networks are warez networks? They must be confusing themselves Razz

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Hugs!