Sick of the Unreal+Anope hate

mouselike · Idler Joined: 09 Dec 2003 Posts: 258

At the end of the day it's down to personal preference, if the network admin wants to run unreal and look no different from the thousands of other unreal + anope irc networks thats fine, who are we to try stop them and by no means am i trying to tell people avoid it like the plague, but what you failed to release is klaw you said something like even unreal strpped down to the basic is better than bahamut etc, well iirc you strip any ircd down and it will all go back to one source, it's just a shame unreal went to far with so much pointless stuff, if they made the modules optional downloads so the admins pick and chose and download what they want then i think it would be a fast improvement for unreal rather than just bundle it out with so much rubbish.

katsklaw · Guru Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 1114

Both of you completely misunderstand me (as usual with people that hang out here at SIRC). I'm not trying to be condescending. What I am seeing from my point of view is people trying to validate why a particular software package shouldn't be used or at the very least why you don't use that package and when the truth comes out, it's based on data that is not true or was true along time ago but no longer applies. Which in my opinion makes that part of you reasoning invalid. If you don't like Anope, that's fine .. that's your opinion and you are entitled to it with or with out a reason. However, I feel that if you *do* give a reason, it should at least be based on current and accurate data. I don't consider bugs that have been claimed to exist, yet not given the opportunity to be proven or dismissed as invalid as valid reasons.

Now if you was to say you don't use Anope because it has Inspircd support issues and is buggy for THAT ircd. Then I can't argue and wouldn't argue the point, because that would be a fact. Most of our current bugs are Inspircd related and personally I think it's because the ircd was added too soon and was based off of a crappy protocol module, which I blame on the person that originally submitted the protocol module.

You make claims and I am defending them, and *I'M* the one that gets labeled the bad guy.

I too am done with this topic, on my way out I'll leave you with some facts as of July 2008 (not November 2004) and that is that our last version alone, 1.7.21, has been downloaded more than 15,000 times and Anope is used on more than 75% of the networks in existence and you are claiming that bugs exist that have not been reported .. I can understand 1-2 people not reporting bugs because they think the support is crappy, but I refuse to believe that all of them feel that way. As a side note, I'm just one person. We have an entire team of others that you are more than welcome to talk to.

Good luck with whatever it is you are doing.

anoxs · none Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 4

Willaim · Lurker Joined: 27 Jun 2003 Posts: 242 Location: IRC

On a side note, I just tried to install InspIRCd and had errors.. fun.. then I gave up. I was just trying to see what other IRCds were like.. (The only other IRCd I ever really ran was mIRCd)

(Yes, an IRCd in mIRC - pretty fun Wink

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w00t · Posted: Jul 15, 2008 6:29am Post subject:

gaile · none Joined: 19 Jul 2008 Posts: 7

hey guys from the newbie point of view Very Happy

I think unreal is pretty good ircd, compare to those who proclaim that their ircds are better than unreal...

first thing is, for me and my friends doesn't go or chat with big networks anymore like dalnet etc.. because of their populatoin, they didn't do anything about the users who promote sex.. and the pop up ads when you visit the channel was so annoying... i hope you know what im talking about.. if you don't then try to visit dalnet and popin into one of the channel Very Happy

so me and my friends decided to setup our own small network.. guess what we tried bahamut.. ircu etc.. and nobody could make it run.. so we thought maybe those ircd who claimed they are better than unreal are reserved only for those who are programmers, coders etc.. you know what im talking about... but not to the group of newbie people whos only desire is to chat and communicate with their friends and family using irc.. and then finally we tried unreal.. and kaboom we have a network with services...

the point is so funny when people bashing unreal because many small networks used it.. because its easy to setup.. easy to run, user friendly for newbies like me.. etc.. who cares if big networks dont use it.. chatters doesnt check if they are using unreal or not all we care about is to have fun while chatting, have fun while communicating with friends and family... who cares about big networks who doesnt care about their users..

one funny thing about the open source community.. like linux/unix they want the ordinary people used linux/unix instead of windows.. because they said window sucks.. blah blah.. yah windows sucks but hey teachers, nurses, doctors, carpenters.. etc.. can use it without a sweat, unlike unix/linux you have to learn all those crazy stuff command etc.. just to enable you to use the linux/unix system..

so what they did? suse came out.. ubunto came out etc.. variety of linux falvors came out with X windows, why they provide that? becaue i think they know unix/linux still sucks if majority or ordinary people can't use it.. so thats why they make it easy, easy to install now.. for provided drivers for every hardware.. they make it compatible with hardware... even grade school can setup and install linux now.. oh what a good feeling make your life easier... yup thats how it is... we didn't go to programming/computer school jus to learn those stuff we are ordinary people..

so stop bashing unreal with your stupid things people and move on with your life.. theres nothing that you can do or stop the popularity of unreal ircd, unreal ircd is very pewerful, user friendly, easy to install/setup.. and ordianry people like me will use it.. we don't care about big networks who doesnt' use ircd....

Go unreal.. don't worry about the jealousy of other ircds...

Future · none Joined: 20 Mar 2008 Posts: 34

Unreal IS NOT STABLE.
Look at for example, SwiftIRC. about 10k users strong and it uses Unreal+Anope now i love the combination but unreal literally just fails at holding large amounts of users!
netsplits every min Surprised

Though anope and unreal are lovely, i think the fact that if you try another IRCd you get stuck within about 2 mins of installing it or w/e as if with unreal there's no problems and it's popular for a reason, it's user friendly, good.

Dagorath · none Joined: 06 Jan 2007 Posts: 7

The real reason that many people starting a "network" will claim that they don't use "that" combination of Unreal+Anope is because they read about how to gain new users... and the most common thing people will suggest is to have something different.

Therefore, they look and say, "Oh, everyone has Unreal and Anope. I can be different by not having Unreal and Anope." The problem with this is ... I just can't find any other combination of IRCD + Services daemon that works as well for the users (or opers), or has as much community support.

Another thing is this; people will often claim Unreal is "unstable" (as Future did), but the simple fact is that as an outside user, you cannot claim to know what is making an IRC server unstable. It could be box setup; it could be inefficient load sharing between servers; it could be a connectivity issue with the provider for the servers; it could be a running process on the server box stealing resources (ie, buggy software with a memory leak); it could be an incorrectly configured IRCD... the list goes on for some time.

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Deanie · none Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

This may be off topic, I apologize. Do any of you know how to get all the chanserv room bots into a bots room?

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