Banned Unfairly From a Network

Guest · Posted: Jan 17, 2004 1:14pm Post subject:

As an admin, if I see an oper saying 'do as I say or I can make you',
I will pm them and ask them if they are sure this is the right attitude, considering
there is always someone higher up the chain then they are.

This very rarely happens though, more recently I don't go on networks where the opers
don't have enough respect for the users, either by simply not connecting to it if it's a big
net that is well established (like DALnet, on which I have seen laughable performances by opers)
or if it's a net I run a server on, I will see about getting the abusive oper's oper block removed.

-Ashen

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

repeated use of profanity will get you akicked from the main channels.. and if you come back and still use profanity you eventually get akill...

if I remember correctly this user was blacklisted for using proxies to evade bans...

outblaze is NOT chat.outblaze.com or irc.outblaze.com that is a different server...

for outblaze.. its chat.hk3.outblaze.com or chat.graffiti.net or irc.banjalukachat.com

remember you must connect with real IP address or yes you will be blacklisted... no proxy/psybnc/bnc/eggdrop or any kind of vhost allowed... this is not in motd because admins are too busy to modify it

its just the rules of the server, you have to follow the rules or you will be banned. if you dont like it there are many other networks to go to

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

moonman · Lurker Joined: 15 Jul 2003 Posts: 212

hold on... they have unorthodox rules which are not in the motd because the admins are too busy to take <5 minutes to modify it? yeah, that seems like a nice network.

i bet they arent too busy to spend 20 minutes looking up the format to add olines for their friends, another 20 minutes looking up every oper flag they need to add, and another 5-10 minutes going in the shell to actually add the line.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

A network shouldn't have to put every single rule they have on their MOTD. A statement in the MOTD or an onjoin message being sent telling people where they are should suffice.

And its common sense that if you use proxies to evade bans that they will just keep akilling you.

Sure, they should list their rules, but since they do own/run the network, they can kill you for any reason either, so if you asked them I'm sure thats what they would tell you if you kept annoying them Smile

Not every network cares about users. Alot of them stop caring when they hit 10,000 or so Smile

Its only the smaller guys like us who care because every user we get we try to keep Smile

Mary · SearchIRC Admin Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 692

Since admins are reading this I'm going to voice a pet peeve - networks that have NO kline or abuse contact emails listed on their websites and motds, but instruct users to join a network channel if they need help.

We get emails saying "I used a friend's computer to connect so I could ask if I can be unbanned, and they banned his IP too! NOW what do I do?"

That's just MEAN.

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

A contact ability outside of the network for a ban is nessacary. But lets broaden on what you brought up.

As a network admin, I find it quite rude when I get emails to my akill address, and all I get is "you akilled me, unban me".

I would appreciate more info. Perhaps the akill message so I can see what usermask it was? The nick you were using helps also.

Sure, you should have a good email address. I actually don't-I direct people to a website that explains to them what kind of information I need in an akill email, plus explanations of certian things that, if you did them, its probably not going to get removed anyway. But in the IRCd I do leave the email address for 'default' kills, or for the occasional akill that goes out in an improper format. Basically I require all of the akills on my network to be in the format of "reason-Visit (website) for details on how to dispute this akill" The website contains the email address and the things we require to investigate an akill properly.

al5001 · Lurker Joined: 17 Jul 2003 Posts: 181 Location: Canada

The administration contact emails were in the MOTD.

On the server, we have mostly java users who cannot register their nicknames. It is simple enough to disable nickname services, but this would be unfair to the normal IRC client users. The problem with this user was that he registered a java user's nickname, waited until the user logged on, and then used /NS GHOST Nick password. When we see this kind of abuse, the nickname is dropped and the user is permanently banned.

It is a privilege, not a right, to connect to the network. As I stated before, please do not come here and complain. Contact the administrator via email. The addresses are listed in the MOTD.

As a security enforcement, we ban all vhosts and proxies.

Bayou-Ru|er · Posted: Mar 20, 2004 5:06pm Post subject:

Bla .... Bla ...... Get Over it and get a life! Really its just IRC!

U · Eleet Joined: 18 Jun 2003 Posts: 521 Location: IRC

Some people won't get over it-some people take a ban as personally as being physically bounced from a establishment.

But, if you don't follow the establishments rules, then you do get booted. It could also very well be the establishment doesn't want you there-in which case, you just have to find another establishment.

CaveGuy · none Joined: 06 Jul 2003 Posts: 11

I had my channel stolen by the founder of Nevernet network. Nine months on his server Just after celebrateing the 3rd anniversary of our channel.

He didn't like that we were banning chatters from one of his channels. I had ended the banning, after he killed my OPerators to get attention. But the next night he K-lined me, and gave away my channel.

We have since moved back to DALnet. Where we are having a much better chatting experence.

DjMadness- · Newbie Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 70

CaveGuy · none Joined: 06 Jul 2003 Posts: 11

At first being on a small Network felt great. I think allmost all the staff came and welcomed us. If anyone needed OPER assistance it could be found in seconds.

At a point I started noticeing a patern sometimes found in channels out of control. The founder of this Network had gotten power hungry and was forceing his will on all the users.

I understand that Network staff should be able to do with there server as they please. But when they start meddling in channel affairs, decideing who can't be banned, it's gone to far.

The owners of a channel have to be left alone to do as they please. Provided the are following the AUP of course. Otherwise a Network such as this one want have users for long.

Mary · SearchIRC Admin Joined: 03 May 2003 Posts: 692

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markyboi · Guest

you did something you shouldnt have, hence were removed, get over it