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How many years have you been on IRC?
Under 1 year
6%
 6%  [ 4 ]
1-2 years
7%
 7%  [ 5 ]
3-5 years
42%
 42%  [ 27 ]
6-8 years
32%
 32%  [ 21 ]
9-10 years
4%
 4%  [ 3 ]
Over 10 years
6%
 6%  [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 64

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blueice
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Joined: 07 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sep 25, 2004 11:32am    Post subject: Reply with quote
katsklaw wrote:
I'm not trying to be a pest. I simply state my opinion and give advice where I wish and it has the tendancy to piss some people off. In fear of sounding rude, that's their problem.


I hope you didn't get me wrong katsklaw! I was in no way accusing you or so, I actually love your posts when you show some ppl their limits. In fact, I love to do the same. But you should know this got you a certain reputation by now, you are infamous for asking the 'what makes your network unique?' question, for example... I enjoy reading the battles you fight, and I would not question your honest intentions Wink

P.S. whew! 1.3 millions is quite a good number, and I bet it keeps rising... wish there was a way to keep the 'weirdo percentage' lower than it is, or seems to be.
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katsklaw
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PostPosted: Sep 25, 2004 11:44am    Post subject: Reply with quote
blueice wrote:
katsklaw wrote:
I'm not trying to be a pest. I simply state my opinion and give advice where I wish and it has the tendancy to piss some people off. In fear of sounding rude, that's their problem.


I hope you didn't get me wrong katsklaw! I was in no way accusing you or so, I actually love your posts when you show some ppl their limits. In fact, I love to do the same. But you should know this got you a certain reputation by now, you are infamous for asking the 'what makes your network unique?' question, for example... I enjoy reading the battles you fight, and I would not question your honest intentions Wink

P.S. whew! 1.3 millions is quite a good number, and I bet it keeps rising... wish there was a way to keep the 'weirdo percentage' lower than it is, or seems to be.


I didn't missunderstand you in any way Smile oh, I could care less about my reputation on anything IRC related because truth be told .. IRC is just uhm .... IRC. When IRC starts paying my bills .. then I might care. Smile

As far my "what makes your net unique" approach. That's an honest question. If you stand back and look. There are a finate number of IRCds/Services combinations, however when you mix a few certain pair .. like say Unreal and anope you can come up with a very unique mixture, simply because both are very customizable and both happen to be modular! Very Happy

So without knowing ANY coding at all one could create a very unique net. Just use your imagination. Many fail to do so IMO. Hell people don't really change the nicks for Services .. Who said that NickServ must be named NickServ? why not NameServ? Again, no use of imagination. I use Undernet style Services .. and guarentee you that my bots nick is NOT X or W!! Some have argued that you can't have a unique network, it's just not true.

I see it this way ... if you go to a car dealer. You will see a list of features on the windows sticker. That is part of selling the car. It don't just say "its a car" .. the sticker tries to sell the car. Announcing your network on any website should be the same. You're not just saying "I have a net, come visit" you should tell people WHY they should. Why should I bother to use your net versus the net I'm already on?
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blueice
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PostPosted: Sep 25, 2004 12:35pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
katsklaw wrote:
Why should I bother to use your net versus the net I'm already on?


Only one reason possible, for that: you know me or another one of the bunch, and you happen to like spending your time hanging with us. Absolutely NO other reason, to use our network or to like it better than others. But that is a conclusion many ppl are missing, esp when their network is new...

We use the latest standard Ultimate with the latest standard Anope (and I admit, our NickServ / ChanServ listens to exactly this un-original name), and the latest NeoStats with SecureServ plus modules like opsb. This is a comfy and relatively safe environment for our users, and we don't bother to change it, only to become 'unique'. Our staff makes our network unique, but only for the folks who know us.

I agree to you, it IS possible to make a network technically unique with changing the codes to your requirements. That might result in a monstrous pile of work tho, which is (IMHO) neither necessary nor would it be appreciated by our mighty userload of 20 or so Wink

We will let the coders of the standard packets have their heads smoking, to keep our work as comfy and as safe as can be, and btw I honestly appreciate their work a lot! Big hugz to Shadowmaster, Fish and their respectable teams from here.
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katsklaw
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PostPosted: Sep 25, 2004 12:59pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
blueice wrote:
katsklaw wrote:
Why should I bother to use your net versus the net I'm already on?


Only one reason possible, for that: you know me or another one of the bunch, and you happen to like spending your time hanging with us. Absolutely NO other reason, to use our network or to like it better than others. But that is a conclusion many ppl are missing, esp when their network is new...


This creates a situatation that is like a double edged sword. In order to know you I must meet you. On one net or another. So, if I know you on lets say DALnet .. then you create foonet. There is no reason to talk to you on both DALnet *and* foonet. I'm not inclined to leave DALnet to only chat on foonet because then I can't talk to my other friends that I still have on DALnet. So inherently I will stop coming to foonet and just chat to you on DALnet. Which leads right back to the beginning .. why should I come to foonet? Vicious circle I know, but an IRC truth. If I know you from foonet it is because what is discussed in the next paragraph. Friends can be very fickle and at times be harder to get to your net than total strangers. I have friends on DALnet that will not come to my network because they know that I'm on DALnet and that I won't leave because I have other friends there as well. Why should they open yet another server connection just to chat with me on my network when they can chat on a network we are already on?

A new network has a better chance of surviving on strangers and brand new IRC users than totally relying on friends. So to get the new users attention, you must introduce yourself, services and why that user should pick your net vs others.
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blueice
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PostPosted: Sep 25, 2004 2:44pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
katsklaw wrote:
A new network has a better chance of surviving on strangers and brand new IRC users than totally relying on friends. So to get the new users attention, you must introduce yourself, services and why that user should pick your net vs others.


I agree to the first statement, it is right for most networks out there, esp new ones. But you have a steady flow of users coming and going, we had some channels with twice as many users as the rest of our network coming over from blah.net because they were unhappy with the blah staff or their way to handle things and whatever else.

We had some of those chans staying with us for a year or longer, some of them left after a short time to move to places with more traffic. How they found us? No idea, might have been the fact we were listed in the servers.ini then... but with Tjerk rejecting networks with a userload below 100 since a while, it is very unlikely for us to get in there again.

I clearly admit, we could as well run a room on DAL and save the cash for 6 rented shells, but still we don't... we like what we do! And since we have been together since more than 4 years now, we might stick together for another 4, or even longer. Why are you running your own network, without a big userload? Your reasons might be similar to ours.

And yet another thread that jumped off the rail Cool
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katsklaw
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PostPosted: Sep 25, 2004 2:54pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I run my net because I don't like the lag on DALnet. I still hang out there because of my friends. I also haven't found another net that I like 100%. That's probably why I haven't just linked somewhere.

Personally, I haven't had any luck with friends sticking around on my net. Some of them are ignorant to my software, and they want to stay that way. Some hang out for a few hours and never come back. Not from what anyone did/said to them .. but because they see me elsewhere. I even have one friend that would make a great addition to my net but refuses to go anywhere but DALnet because it would break his mIRC script.

I was in the servers.ini file from mIRC once on a net I was an admin on in the past. All we got was fisser drones .. not new users.
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wanga
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Joined: 26 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Sep 26, 2004 10:40am    Post subject: Reply with quote
almost 10 years for me! Smile
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Ashen
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Joined: 05 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sep 26, 2004 3:39pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmmmm.... I'm 19 now, I started when I was about 12/13.... so about 7 years?

katsklaw is right..... again..... about why it's difficult to get your friends over to a new net.
People don't move unless you give them a very compelling reason, and new nets almost always struggle to provide this reason. That's why a very neglected area of ability for people starting new nets is : diplomacy - the art of talking with users as equals and convincing them to try your net.

-Ashen
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katsklaw
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PostPosted: Sep 26, 2004 3:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
diplomacy - The art of calmly saying "nice doggie" until you can find a big stick! Very Happy
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AshleighJane
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Joined: 23 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Sep 26, 2004 6:40pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Getting my first computer system was back in late 1999 at 20years old, a year later I was sent an invite from a friend to come and try the IRC experience back in September of 2000......and Im still hanging out here, theres no where else other than IRC, I like using mIRC client, as well as reading the messages/answering with my imput too on searchIRC forum.

You get to meet and chat with people from all over the world and make friends along the way from different countrys. The ultimate goal is meeting up in r/l with the friends you have made if distance isnt a problem.



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CatInTheHat
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Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Feb 06, 2005 4:23am    Post subject: For a Spell Now! :P Reply with quote
Oh, I do believe I was introduced to IRC in 1991 back on the good old BBS systems! Smile

I got lost for awhile and then came back around 1996....mmm... so I'ld say about 9 years!

Gee thanks, now I feel old! Razz

Peace~
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Concrete
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Joined: 11 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Feb 14, 2005 12:13pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
too damn long
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Dr-Voodo
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Joined: 07 Nov 2003
Posts: 535
Location: IRC
PostPosted: Feb 14, 2005 5:48pm    Post subject: 8-9 years Reply with quote
I have been on IRC for about 10 years, I started in 1995 at EFnet, after a few month I moved on to Dalnet where I have been around since, what I do mostly there is to help people, and I am just becomed an Aop on Dalnet's Help.

I started my network in 2004 and well yeah the rest you know, hehe Smile
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mentor
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Joined: 22 Jun 2004
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PostPosted: Feb 16, 2005 2:16am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Way too long .. over 10 years now; although, I'm not on near as much as used to be.

It's kind of funny seeing people claim DALnet as one of their first networks, heh. It wasn't even around when I started IRC'ng. It's amazing how so much changes, and yet so much remains the same over the years.
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WhaLberg
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Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 108
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
PostPosted: Feb 16, 2005 7:18am    Post subject: Reply with quote
In 1998 I saw the net world, but don't mind it, but in 1999 I noticed the importance of the net. So since 1999 I'm on IRC and Web world.
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