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Snerf
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 Posted: Aug 13, 2007 1:45am Post subject: |
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I completely agree.
The single largest hurdle to IRC containing IM-like features is the IRC client authors themselves. There really is no need for the server to interpret the data people send to each other, that is the job of the client.
When developers of both the ircds and clients start collaborating more, then the user experience overall will improve. |
I, as an IRC Client author, would agree to this as well.
The ircd's out there do not make it any easier for a client developer, as they all stray in their own directions. I know that its far too late to create an all new protocol, because I simply do not see one that could be agreed upon by all, because so many authors want things their own way.
Yes, the IRC Protocol could use a total overhaul/rewrite, but I don't see it happening. Thats just the reality of it all. So it is upto the client authors to just try their best in seeing what they feel, is the easiest way. I personally feel thats why IM's do so much better, because they are easier to use. The whole IM Medium/protocol is just simpler, in general. No need to learn commands, etc etc. Just add a friend, and chat. I see new people all the time coming to IRC, every day, and it really is a tough chat medium to understand, it takes a bit of time to grasp.
Yes, a much simpler client could be created, a more intuitive client, for the new IRC users, that still do come day by day. Strip out all those unneccessary 'features'. But, would only new users use it, until they find out all their friends use mirc or whatever, and can't help them with the new program, and off they go.
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ircmojo
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| Posted: Aug 13, 2007 4:15pm Post subject: |
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| Snerf wrote: | | mentor wrote: |
I completely agree.
The single largest hurdle to IRC containing IM-like features is the IRC client authors themselves. There really is no need for the server to interpret the data people send to each other, that is the job of the client.
When developers of both the ircds and clients start collaborating more, then the user experience overall will improve. |
I, as an IRC Client author, would agree to this as well.
The ircd's out there do not make it any easier for a client developer, as they all stray in their own directions. I know that its far too late to create an all new protocol, because I simply do not see one that could be agreed upon by all, because so many authors want things their own way.
Yes, the IRC Protocol could use a total overhaul/rewrite, but I don't see it happening. Thats just the reality of it all. So it is upto the client authors to just try their best in seeing what they feel, is the easiest way. I personally feel thats why IM's do so much better, because they are easier to use. The whole IM Medium/protocol is just simpler, in general. No need to learn commands, etc etc. Just add a friend, and chat. I see new people all the time coming to IRC, every day, and it really is a tough chat medium to understand, it takes a bit of time to grasp.
Yes, a much simpler client could be created, a more intuitive client, for the new IRC users, that still do come day by day. Strip out all those unneccessary 'features'. But, would only new users use it, until they find out all their friends use mirc or whatever, and can't help them with the new program, and off they go.
You get the idea. |
I'd have to agree .. mostly. As far as IRC being harder, I don't know about that. It takes a bit of configuration to use Im's as well. as an IRC veteran (and ironiclly an IM newbie) my biggest turnoff to IM's is that none of them work with each other, just like IRCd's, every IM protocol is different to the point it's not compatable with the next. But what's even more frustrating is that there is no place you can go to find friends on an IM. It's buddy list is blank, so if you have no friends on that IM.. your screwed unless that IM has a chat feature, like say Yahoo. Gaining instant access to people is a huge advantage that IRC has.
Even though Ive been on IRC for more than 12 years and it seems second nature to me, I still remember my first few days on IRC and yes, there was some hand holding, but the person that taught me the few commands I needed .. such as /join, /nick and a few other required commands. I was off and running, unlike my IM of choice where the only way I can add buddies is to know them already.
I think where users need more than 2-3 commands on IRC is when they wish to start channel operation/administration. THEN it's a whole new world. However, IM moderation can be just as tough and unlike IM's, IRC offers the ability for anyone to be an operator in their own channel, you don't have to be uber trusted or employed by the IM's hosting company. |
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