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SATAN-HHH
Eleet
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
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Location: Texas
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| I'd actually rather not watch it. Quite frankly it whows a lack of maturity and professionalism. That alone makes me wonder about half of the Irc networks out there. Believe it or not, there should be some form of professionalism and decorum when it comes to running an irc network. That in no way means you can't have fun too. If you don't have fun in the process, then you will lose the will to continue operating an irc network. Networks that are badly operated/managed can give irc as a whole a bad projection to the general public who aren't so savy as to what irc truly is. I think this is one of the major contribitors to irc's decline. I'd like to think that it will change and irc will revive itself out of what seems to be a bit of a downward spiral, but I'm really not sure that it will happen. Remember, your actions and attitudes affects yourself as well as other staff members, the irc network itself and the irc community. |
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Crash_ChatNSN
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Joined: 07 Nov 2005
Posts: 252
Location: Little Rock Ar
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| Posted: Feb 10, 2007 11:04am Post subject: |
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| myspace killed IRC :O |
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Lexy
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Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mar 02, 2007 7:41am Post subject: |
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| I think the upsurge in gaming is killing general irc chatting. Many are addicted to the gaming aspect and tend to act like zombies in the #lobby or #generalchat channels - non-welcoming and a turnoff to us non-gamers. |
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SATAN-HHH
Eleet
Joined: 29 Nov 2003
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Location: Texas
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| Posted: Mar 03, 2007 6:26am Post subject: |
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| Agreed. A channel full of people that don't talk is quit boring and unappealing. |
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ircmojo
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Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Posts: 215
Location: $HOME sweet $HOME
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| Posted: Mar 03, 2007 8:35am Post subject: |
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| Lexy wrote: | | I think the upsurge in gaming is killing general irc chatting. Many are addicted to the gaming aspect and tend to act like zombies in the #lobby or #generalchat channels - non-welcoming and a turnoff to us non-gamers. |
Possibly because many of the real IRC addicts have noticed how stupid the people on IRC have become. Either from the fact that you don't need experience to install and run an IRC network/server these days.
Way back when, you had to be in a certain position and have an uncommon level of technical knowledge to host a server. Now you only need $5/mo and know 3 unix commands. Cheap Broadband, IRC coders and cheap IRC Shell providers have made the ever increasing number of idiot users/admins possible. Today you can go from new user to netadmin in about an hour where as in the old days it took you longer than that to find an ircop let alone become one. Which creates a really sad environment for those that actually care and know how to run a server/network.
Even if an experienced admin that followed all the traditional steps such as learned how to be a user before getting their first oline then gained experience as an oper before tackling the admin position and so on set up a new network today and attempted to return to the traditional way of doing things, they would never make it because of the overwhelming level of stupidity and total lack of experience that the thousands of other networks have in leadership positions. It's sad to see that quality has been drowned by thousands of nets run by newbies.
So in that light, experienced admins have a few choices. 1. try to endure (often an uphill battle in slick mud) 2. join the ranks of silliness 3. switch mediums such as gaming or heaven forbid IMs.
As a side note on ircx. I've noticed that a few others have tried to incorporate some of the aspects of ircx into IRC and failed, some are because the coder felt that ircx's ownership (microsoft) was too lame to pursue, the incorporation was too insane and not worth the transition or the entire protocol was lame. I've personally noticed that almost all of ircx commands do infact have a IRC equivalent in one ircd or another and some other are abusive in nature and I personally wouldn't have any interest in. the main lack of interest point, at least for me, is that ircx is owned by Microsoft. They took an Open Source concept and commercialized it as closed source. Big "no no" in my book. Cost of Ownership is another problem. Just like the "It's not IRC" Conference Room Chat Service, which has also taken the Open Source to commercial path.
I find that what ircx and CR contribute in features that IRC does not have is not worth the lack of scalability nor the commercial licensing required for operation. Granted, the things listed here between ircx and IRC happen within a scope of technical differences, but when you compare the basic functionality you would see that it's not worth the Cost of Ownership. For example, ircx's /privmsg has multiple targets and so does their /notice command. What they don't tell you is so does the IRC versions and /whisper is completely redundant. IRC can also /silence users in various forms as well as ban users in various forms and in my humble opinion /mimic is just flat out abusive in any form but if you must have it, IRC can do it too, even at the client level. Event logging is age old and happened long before IRC was invented, so it's not ircx specific either. Case in point is that the popular Anope IRC Services package can be sent into debug level 4 and create a logfile on about 25MB in about 30 seconds logging every since event that happens. Commercial Groups such as ircx and CR don't tell you these things because they don't want you to know the true value of what you are getting. They tell you how wonderful their product is in a manner that makes you believe it's unique.
At any rate, I think that's enough rambling for the moment, I should get back to my new professionaly run by experienced staff, as secure as IRC can possibly get using currently available technologies IRC network project.
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PingBad
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Joined: 05 Feb 2005
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Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Mar 03, 2007 3:01pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't agree with you more, ircmojo...
Another sector of network leadership also comes from the "l33t-ist" sect of IRC - those that think they're hot shit and have some right to be able to run a network. Problem there is, they managed to piss off a few dozen people with their egos and taunting (and undoubtedly packetting) so their network gets instantly attacked the second ./unreal start is executed. Of course, said l33t-ist can't have someone messing with their stuff, so they retaliate and it becomes an ever-escalating packet war until someone is knocked offline for a while or quits.
Not the best image for IRC leadership, is it? |
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