Quakenet: Where staffs/IRCops takeover ordinary channels.

JusticeMan · Guest

Recently a quakenet staff/IRCop suspended one of my friend's (a very old user) Q account, and with it suspended all the channels he was opped in. Early the same day, some spammers who always tried to takeover the channels and flooded them "threatened" him that they would gline him or get him suspended. No doubt that it was done on request, and the reason for suspension provided by that 'unknown' staff didnt mention any logical reason at all, but it contained all abusive slangs. Later when my friend went to the official channels for complaining, he was further abused by the rude staffs (some even racist) who went on like "You must have broken quakenet rules" and "we dont care" followed by vulgar slangs. By the way, since quakenet doesnt have any nick protection services, anyone can impersonate others and break rules (Not sure if that's the case, but some hostile users tried that before). But what made that staff suspend his channels together with his account? He wasnt the only owner of those channels, but many of those were big channels owned by many old users. What made the channels special was the fact that these channels were from the mIRC channels list, including #AllNiteCafe #Chatzone etc, and the users who threatened him earlier that day belonged to a group that was very greedy about the channels and tried to take those over before as well. They regularly flooded the channels for months and we had to get rid of them through IRCops (only 1 of them helped).

The only oper that came to help was meeb, but later he was very much exhausted by this and threatened to close our channels if we had any more troubles. Is there any end to trouble when an unknown staff is after our channels? The crappy staff member didnt stop right after suspending the channels, but later he suspended the Q accounts of any bnc bots we requested from bot services. At #Help, helpers mostly ignored us, and assured that 'the staff member' isnt after our channels (about 18, including 2 very big chans). Our only hope of getting oped was through O, and this was what a very few helpful IRCops advised us. But then eventually the same "unknown staff" glined all the owners of the channels with the reason "network abuse, impersonating services" <-- rofl. Later, when I entered the network from a cyber cafe, i found one of the power greedy staff, Lanmate, being op in #Chatzone, and #AllNiteCafe glined with reason "Perverts to be cleared up. Glined until chanfix is cleared.", i.e. until O, a network service, forgets the original operators. By that, the power greedy staffs were one step closer in getting hold of the chan, or so that O ops those ppl who intially requested the staff member to suspend us and the channels. We dont know the nick of that staff yet since he's working from "behind", but meeb will surely get to know whats really happening after reading it, since he initially tried to convince us that the staff wasnt after the channels but that he only suspended one of the owner's Q account because "maybe he broke rules" (which we all know wasnt really the case), while the other helpers didnt have any explanations at all. This is the fate of ordinary users like us who have spent years in the network growing channels and gathering friends, and ultimately lose everything with one big blow from staff members greeedy for mIRC public channels or willing to get those channels for their friends.

I'm utterly frustated by this and i know i cant do anything about it, neither can all the thousands of Quakenet users being abused everyday.
I dont need any replies or excuses from Quakenet staffs here, hope this alerts the higher admins about the dreadful acts carried out by the staff members regualrly. I'm just sick of it! Mad

AngelEye · Guest

Cool down mate, this is a very common thing for Quakenet. I've been through similar trouble, and especially that Deckard lame ass is one of the opers who abuse ppl for no reason. Somtimes they're like "IRCops do not do anything on request*, but they go for the hard facts", and in other times it turns into "IRCops can do anything anytime they like!". I'm a first year computer science student in UC Berkeley, and Quakenet will be the playground of my hacking lessons next year. Wink

AngelEye · Guest

oh srry for the double pasting, read the second one!

JusticeMan · Guest

And i know that friend of mine very well, he was a very old user and never broke any quakenet rules. It's all about greed for big channels by those jackass staffs and their friends, and if #AllNiteCafe opened by now, they surely got opped there.

Guest · Posted: Sep 16, 2005 7:36am Post subject:

Quakenet is surely on the brink of destruction, the staff members pretend to be innocent, but in reality they themselves seem not to give a damn to the network rules. And going to complain in #Help is the worst thing to do, they throw all shits at you and talk all craps, like it's become a trend among them to abuse troubled ordinary users as much as possible.

MahmoudKarim · Guest

QuakeNet services have become poor, and I think it rates below most big networks now in terms of its service. It is full of hate, jealousy and greed, a true IRC battlefield.

w00t · Posted: Sep 17, 2005 3:43am Post subject:

Indeed, any network that ignores it's userbase is not a smart network.

FBI · Posted: Sep 17, 2005 11:25am Post subject:

Whos the QuakeNet founder? maybe u can talk to him if hes alive Wink

Calum · Guest

let's get the story straight, no one on Quakenet "tookover" any channel - the channel was constantly abused(ie. advertising to get idlers and so on) then due to this, an IRCop suspended L and suspended the person responsible for spamming, thus leaving the channel opless, and O's chanfix recononizing the old ops which were suspended - so the channel was glined for a few months, however the channel ban was lifted.

Then, on reopen, a user decided to put his bot there as op to "idle" and save the channel, and get L - an IRCop decided it would be best to give the channel to two people who were willing to support the channels needs(for example, running of the chasnnel, stopping users who suck + lame or whatever, trojan bots, and stuff.) and I asked to help, and was allowed with a friend.

Calum

JusticeMan · none Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 6

Okay, now lets get this even straighter filtering out all your lies:

1 You are no oper surely, so how do you know what opers do?

2 Why would you be interested to get opped in someone else's channel if you can make your own channel there?

3 You are one of the guys who used to spam our channels, and tried to take these over multiple times, we had to even call opers to gline some of your floodbots once.

4 The chanfix of O wasnt supposed to be cleared, as IRCops told us, and we were the regular ops supposed to be opped by O, and when there had been a slight technical problem with O, IRCops opped us by themselves.

5 You already mentioned your purpose in taking the channels, i.e. "to get opped because IT NEEDED SO-CALLED "DESERVING" OPS LIKE YOU" and you used your staff friends to achieve this purpose.

6 In Quakenet, it used to be that if a channel causes trouble it is closed all together, or for a sufficient period of time to punish it's owners, but not in the purpose of OPPING SOMEONE ELSE THE STAFF LIKES, and your purpose is clear from what you said.

Still afraid to disclose your real IRC nick? The staff member who did this never really showed coz he was working from "behind" with you ppl, but remember, truth will prevail, and everything will come out by time.

ShadowKat · none Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1

To Calum:

Oh, so now its about advertising eh? Like you dont remember you people used to spam your small nooby channel's in #AllNiteCafe and #Chatzone and bothered the hell out of normal users, and now you're saying that these big public channels need to advertise in your private kiddy channels? Oh god, u aint got even any peanut sized thing in your head (in case you have one). In established, or even half-established, networks, mIRC public channels like #AllNiteCafe and #Chatzone do not need to be advertising, because much more users drop in automatically in the channels through mIRC than u can get by advertising, so no one would even bother advertising these channels, but what really does happen is that noobs like you come in groups with onjoinbots/spambots and spam users on join or on pm to get users to your tiny channels and grow it to a nooby amount. If you had any common sense (though i do know u were lying) u wudnt have said that channels with an average of over 80 users need to be advertised like small chans with 11/12 users like your one!

JusticeMan · none Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 6

FBI, thanks for the advice. One of the two founders of quakenet, Oli, used to be an op in one of our channels. The other is not often around (in fact, never saw him around). Oli is not an active staff member, he's been kept in the network as an honorary IRCop. He hasnt been online lately when all these thing were happening, though whenever we asked him for help he would say "I'm not up for work", and indeed he never did and never joined #Help either.

Now back to Calum:
1 Listen kid, it was intially about suspending that particular owner due to "some reason" (some vulgar slangs were provided as reason, but no real reason was given), and when we went to #Help they assured us that those slangs were reason in their own right (LOL). Back then it was NO WHERE NEAR TO ABUSING CHANNELS OR CLOSING THEM DOWN. We really knew that the staff member who banned him was upto something, but we found it very hard to convince the IRCops coz they were like "no staff members can be after the chans so no worries" without knowing what's gowing on.

2 As Calum puts it:
"...and O's chanfix recononizing the old ops which were suspended - so the channel was glined for a few months, however the channel ban was lifted...an IRCop decided it would be best to give the channel to two people who were willing to support the channels needs..."

Well, has it been even a month yet? Calum stop this lameness, gline timings are always recorded and opers know it, it's been less than A MONTH since this retarded staff member started creating trouble, so lying here wouldnt take you anywhere near to justifying yourself. By the way, O's chanfix doent need "months" to clear, just forget abt fooling people with all those lies. So at last you said it by yourself, it clearly proves that you allied with some anonymous IRCop who would give the channel "to two people" (i.e 2 friends) so unjustly(!!!), shattering all the time and efforts put over all these years by the real owners! And why the hell would IRCops even bother abt a channel's need (as you said) while the channel belongs to someone else? Are the channels so important to quakenet that even IRCops are so bothered to save the channels "saved" from some bad ops who own the chan, then snatch it from the owners and give it to someone else? That doesnt make sense, but the purpose is clear by now. Seems like we spent all our time and effort in quakenet for nothing, just so that someday an IRCop comes and takes away the chan and gives it to his friends, then accuse the real owners of something they never even thought of doing.

Calum · Guest

I don't recall owning any channels to be honest, apart from some private ones, enlighten me please.

Calum · Guest

I'm not being the childish one at the moment. I recommend this topic gets closed, what I previously said first, says it all.

I meant to say the gline had been lifted before 2months were up, don't know why, don't care either way.

I am controlling ALLNITECAFE now, and preventing all sorts of spam, and so on. If you don't like it, then it's your own fault for getting suspended or whatever.

Lanmate and a few others are controlling CHATZONE for the sake of the channel(needs some sort of management)

And when the channel was re-opened, an _idle_ bot was holding the channel, this meaning no one running the channel, so it was fair.

and no, I'm no way involved with Quakenet, I've just been in that channel for along time and know what goes on.

-EOD-

Henrik · Guest

Honestly, I don't have the time to read through all the bolocks written in here. Still I'm feeling that a comment is needed and here it goes:

#allnitecafe , the only channel I actually know things about, was given to users who are really able to control it. These channels are heavily wanted because they gurantee a certain amount of people joining them. This has got nothing to do with "my channel / your channel" questions as those channels, to my mind, shouldn't really be used by users for their "own" chatrooms, as in chatrooms related that one user only. For instance, I'm using #henrik as my channel. Why? Because it is about me, Henrik. I have not seen a user called allnitecafe yet, who - by accident - chose that nickname and was now in search for a nice channel for him. Thus #allnitecafe just as #chatzone should be given to users who have a clue, know things related to IRC and just want to keep an eye on a channel, not because they are power hungry abusers but instead because they care for some reason.

I gave #allnitecafe to a user I deem suitable for that job and I will stick to that decision, simply because "it works". The user who send his dumb idle bot in to "take" that channel, in my humble opinion, was no good choice and that's why I replaced him.

Summing it up, I'd say that people who complain about having/not having channels like #allnitecafe under their control should simply !@#$ the hell off as their only concern is to get as much power as they can, even though they have no clue of what to do with it.

Now, hit me Razz