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EviL_SmUrF
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 Posted: Sep 22, 2004 4:11pm Post subject: Help in the fight against spam!! READ!! |
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Everyone go to that website and leave the page open. What the website does is it constantly downloads the images and whatnot from websites that help people send spam emails, or directly sell their products off of spam.
Help fight back!!!
Got any fat edu pipes? Get em on it!
Botnetters: feel like giving something back to the community? .visit (removed)
Take the !@#$@#! spammers out! |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 4:27pm Post subject: |
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| wouldn't this very thread be spam? |
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EviL_SmUrF
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 5:02pm Post subject: |
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stop ruining things katsklw
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 5:13pm Post subject: |
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| EviL_SmUrF wrote: | stop ruining things katsklw
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it's katsklaw .. and your saying that sending an invitation to the masses to visit a website is not spam? |
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EviL_SmUrF
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 5:24pm Post subject: |
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its the lesser of two evils, considering im just trying to let people know about that website.
considering this is the "Chat" forum, and u can discuss anything you want in here. |
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Jason
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Joined: 03 May 2003
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Location: Tampa, FL
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You can't discuss anything you want here. There is no freedom of speech in a privately own server :)
As far as the website goes.... I don't trust people I don't know further than I can throw them. Who's to say they don't add in a competitor into the random mix and have a full fledged DDoS attack caused by you guys?
Their FAQ says:
Q: Is this illegal? A: Well technically yea.. It's taking bandwidth from other sites.. But look at it this way.. Is SCAM/SPAM legal??
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 5:47pm Post subject: |
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| EviL_SmUrF wrote: | its the lesser of two evils, considering im just trying to let people know about that website.
considering this is the "Chat" forum, and u can discuss anything you want in here. |
IRC is also a topic free "chat" medium where some users want you to let you know about websites too. |
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EviL_SmUrF
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 5:56pm Post subject: |
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katsklaw your response makes no sence at all.
Why would I want to post this website in here for any other reason other than to let people know of, in my opinion, the good they are doing in the fight against spammers?
But whatever dude, im tired of arguing with you. it seems just about every single post ANYONE makes about ANYTHING you find some reason for it not to be posted. And i'm not the only one. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 6:04pm Post subject: |
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| EviL_SmUrF wrote: | katsklaw your response makes no sence at all.
Why would I want to post this website in here for any other reason other than to let people know of, in my opinion, the good they are doing in the fight against spammers?
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So fighting spam with spam is ok?
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But whatever dude, im tired of arguing with you. it seems just about every single post ANYONE makes about ANYTHING you find some reason for it not to be posted. And i'm not the only one. |
Lets be realistic .. first .. there are hundreds other threads here I have never posted to, including recent ones ... secondly I have *never* asked for a thread to be "not posted". If you want to accuse me of something .. make sure it's accurate .. and for your own sake .. spell my name right. |
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codemastr
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Joined: 05 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 6:04pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Q: Is this illegal? A: Well technically yea.. It's taking bandwidth from other sites.. But look at it this way.. Is SCAM/SPAM legal?? |
"Technically" Not technically, DEFINATELY. This is a Denial Of Service attack! This is *exactly* the method DoSers use when a firewall begins to block their SYN or UDP floods. I've had websites attacked by such a method. They begin to repeatedly request huge files off of your server. They have thousands of people request it. As a result, your website goes down. And is Spam legal? YES IT IS!
And anyway, that is the most horrible thing I've ever seen!
"Is murder illegal? A: Well technically yeah... It's killing someone... But look at it this way.. Is shoplifting legal??"
So by this logic, it is ok to murder shoplifters because they are criminals as well?
I suggest the SearchIRC staff remove this post on the grounds that it is basically a DoS attack against spammers.
I hate spam as much as the next guy, but if you do this, you are no better - actually even worse than the spammers! The spammers just clutter your mailbox, you want to attempt to physically attack their PCs. In all honesty, just as I hope the spammers go to jail, I hope anyone who uses this system goes to jail as well.
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 6:06pm Post subject: |
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| thank you. |
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pomme
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 6:20pm Post subject: |
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| The internet was created for businesses, and for advertising. I don't see how spam is illegal. It's no different than commercials on TV. We don't drop nukes on McDonalds just because they advertise on TV, do we? No? Well don't do it to advertisers on the internet either. |
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katsklaw
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| pomme wrote: | | The internet was created for businesses, and for advertising. I don't see how spam is illegal. It's no different than commercials on TV. We don't drop nukes on McDonalds just because they advertise on TV, do we? No? Well don't do it to advertisers on the internet either. |
advertising was not on the list of purposes for arpa. |
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codemastr
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Something else I was just thinking... How does anyone know this is legitimate at all? This sounds like the perfect DoS scheme.
A group of guys gets together and says:
We want to launch an attack against all those sites we hate, but we don't want to install trojans on people's machines. So how can we get people to willingly participate. We tell them they aren't attacking just random people, they are attacking spammers. In reality though, we can make the entire system attack whoever we want!
What makes the "Online Resource Center" in Russia (and by the way, the site looks like it is a spam site itself), a legitimate company that we can trust to really "only go after spammers"? The entire thing could be a hoax!
Then even if it is legit, what happens if a non-spammer accidentily gets added to their list? Now you're attacking someone's site who did NOTHING wrong at all.
Even if you don't think it is illegal (which it most certainly is), consider the fact that there is no way of verifying their claims. For all we know, this is a group of scriptkiddies who have just found a way to get people to willingly set their PCs up as drones. |
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w00t
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Joined: 09 Jun 2004
Posts: 699
Location: Nowra, Australia
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| Posted: Sep 22, 2004 10:35pm Post subject: |
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| EviL_SmUrF wrote: | | But whatever dude, im tired of arguing with you. it seems just about every single post ANYONE makes about ANYTHING you find some reason for it not to be posted. And i'm not the only one. |
Have you even read anything he has ever posted? He usually makes damn good points. Admittedly, he occasionally goes haywire and shoves opinions around a little vigorously, but who doesnt?
In terms of his post here, he was (quite rightly) pointing out that this is wrong, and very illegal! You should remember whenever you read his (or anyone elses, for that matter) posts, that you are not moderating this board and that he is expressing his opinion.
Spam is a legitemate marketing tool, in many cases. I know people who read it actually. I was subscribed to a number of them a while ago (pc world), and guess what, they unsubscribed me when I asked them to. If you don't appreciate spam, instead of making futile, pointless attacks against one party that will probably do no more than get people put in jail, why don't you do something constructive against it like trying to improve legislation on the matter? Like making working unsubscribe links a must-have!
Now, my opinion of you so far hasn't been that high, and this thread certainly hasn't helped. You don't seem to consider things before you say them, which I suppose everyone does at one time or another, but you seem to make a particular habit of it. Please, do me a favour, read what others have written and think about what you are going to say before you say it.
Enjoy the rest of your day. |
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