What client to use. There are too many...

Snerf · Newbie Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 69 Location: IRC

Well, I guess they dont get Active Scripting because people aren't really asking for it.
The majority of irc users (imo) have no clue what scripting is, let alone how to do any kind of scripting. If they can load an addin/script, thats how far they get. If they dont like the script, they try another. So they couldnt care less what language a script is made in, as long as it works.
Then the users that do script, I am sure most of em use mirc.

So that leaves a pretty small percentage left that actively script, with another client, in another language. The majority rules in this case. Might not be the language of choice for some hard core scripters/coders, but its still whats used the most. For a developer of a new client, it leaves them in a bit of a pickle, as to what direction to go, with a script language, especially if your designing your own from scratch, or using a language that exists. At least with .Net, you have a few more options available to you as to what you can use/support.

codemastr · Idler Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 353

Snerf I guess you don't know what Active Scripting is. It means the *user* picks the language, not the developer. You can script in JScript, VBScript, RubyScript, PerlScript, PHPScript (not complete), PythonScript, HaskellScript, LuaScript, REXXScript, TCLScript (not complete), ForthScript, or any of the other language that supports Active Scripting. And, if the author chooses to write his own language, he can use active scripting so that it too can be used.

So all those issues you mentioned are irrelevant, since with Active Scripting, the developer has no choices to make.

Snerf · Newbie Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 69 Location: IRC

Well EXCUSE me, but I do know what active scripting is.

You still need to implement it into the code to actually use it.
And I mentioned, this is a lot easier with .Net, as you can use just about anything with it.

codemastr · Idler Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 353

That's still irrelevant. It's still easier to do than writing your own scripting engine. So maybe you find it "difficult" (I find it quite easy), but the "difficulty" is still far less than writing your own language.

Wlfpck · none Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 32

I'm really starting to like Icechat a lot. It seems to me that it is the only one with a lot of potential. Now if more people knew about it and there were more scripts... then I think mIRC won't be used so much.

Snerf · Newbie Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 69 Location: IRC

Codemastr, everything is irrelevant to you. Its either your way, or the highway, and I guess no one will ever sum up to how awesome of a programmer you are, mr high and mighty.
I just have to laugh at how you respond to people, do you realize how critical you are?

Anyways, Scripting isnt really my specialty area, I have some one else doing that for me, that has a lot more skill in that area. Its a tough thing to work on, just in itself.

codemastr · Idler Joined: 05 Feb 2004 Posts: 353

Well, how good a programmer I am/am not is also irrelevant! We aren't talking about what I can/cannot do, we are talking about what icechat *should* do. As I'm sure you know, I'm not the Icechat programmer, so whether it takes me 5 minutes to do or 5 years, it's irrelevant. But thanks for turning this post into personal attacks!

I didn't say one bad thing about Icechat. I didn't say one critical think about Icechat. So why don't you stop being so defensive, ok? I made a SUGGESTION of a feature that could be added to Icechat. If you don't like user's proposing suggestions, that's fine, I won't make any suggestions. One of the things I know users of clients that have active scripting like is that it allows them to choose their own language. I figured, perhaps the Icechat users would like this too. So I proposed the suggestion to you, if you don't like it, I really don't care, I was just trying to be nice. If you don't want my help, don't worry, you won't get it anymore.

Perhaps you should learn the difference between "being critical" and providing "constructive criticism," because there is a huge difference. By the way, go look at your own posts. I say "I guess you don't know what active scripting is," you respond "well EXCUSE me" which one of us was being confrontational? I made a polite statement, then proceded to explain what active scripting was, you know, again, trying to provide help for Icechat. Then what do you do? You come back with "well EXCUSE me" acting all snotty and annoyed. But of course, I'm the one with the attitude problem...

Snerf · Newbie Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 69 Location: IRC

Hey, I know you were not saying anything bad about IceChat, I never said you did. Was just commenting on how you talk like your a know-it-all, thats all.

Lets just leave it at that. Smile

As for Active Scripting in a client, I don't know of any that even do support it, but then, I don't go around trying every single client on the planet either.

All I know is , that with .Net, you can use any language that is supported in .Net, which gives quite a wide range of languages. Its quite an undertaking integrating all that into a program. But, from what I have been looking around for. doesn't seem to be any IRC Clients, fully working ones in any case, written in .Net (utilizing the .Net FrameWork).
Not sure if its just no general interest in it, but then, from what I can see, most clients are written in C++(Currently developed ones), so this is of course the popular language to use. In any case, should be interesting to see how one written in C# does, see if it catches on in any way.

Wlfpck · none Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 32

I don't mean to bring back my dead thread but..... does bersirc support mirc scripts now? cuz i searched and all but i can't find any info.

Aven · Idler Joined: 05 Aug 2005 Posts: 393

I use linux and I love using irssi... if I was forced to use windows, I'd get an IRC shell account to use irssi Razz

Or compile with cygwin if it's possible.

Wlfpck · none Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 32

i suk at any sort of computer language. I can build them and fix them but any language i can't do.... learning vb right now though. lol

magpie · Idler Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 454 Location: Essex, UK

Don't worry, VB still isn't a real language. ;)

Kelsey23 · none Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 33

If you are learning VB, don't learn C# instead Smile

jaimunki · none Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Posts: 30

im using hydra Very Happy

it lacks the automated menus to /whois /ping etc but i like it anyway, and u can type those commands anyway Wink