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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 8:26am    Post subject: What client to use. There are too many... Reply with quote

I have no idea which client to use. Right now I'm using mIRC with a script. But i want to know what clients are good. I'm using windows.


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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 11:20am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer xchat, www.xchat.org since it works both in linux and windows, and most scripts works on both platforms
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 11:44am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xchat is nice for Linux, but I never liked it for Windows, the interface is ugly. http://www.xchat.org/files/screenshots/xc208xp.png the channel buttons down at the bottom just look like no effort was put into making them look good...

My personal favorite is Klient www.klient.com it has just about all the same features mIRC has, but I like the way it looks, and the way it works much better.

But really, it's a matter of personal opinion for which one is best. I personally don't like mIRC, others love it. So it's really hard for someone else to tell you which ones are "good," because we all have different definitions of good. I was looking for a client that had a nice interface, advanced scripting, and a developer who interacts with the users. If you're not looking for any of those things, then you're going to want something totally different than I did.

Best thing to do is just try out a bunch and see which one you like.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 2:49pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find with a little bit of tweeking XChat is an excellent IRC Client with many plugins for both LInux and Windows. I will admit tho that there is a greater learning curve with XChat then with mIRC for example. Here is a screen shot of my IRC Client

http://www.basic-hosting.net/screenshots/xchat.png
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 5:53pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horizon wrote:
I find with a little bit of tweeking XChat is an excellent IRC Client with many plugins for both LInux and Windows.


I'll second that, xchat is nice.
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 6:48pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I am stuck (not through choice) to cgiirc for the immediate future, since I use a proxy to access the internet (:/)

But in terms of real clients, I prefer (in order of preference):
-telnet (Razz)
-bersirc
-klient (I finally looked at it Smile)
-virc
-mirc
-xchat

Others that I havent looked at but look decent:
-hydrairc
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 9:47pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I find with a little bit of tweeking XChat is an excellent IRC Client with many plugins for both LInux and Windows.

Maybe I'm missing it... but what there really differs from the screenshot I posted? It seems you've changed some colors, and moved the switchbar to the left. Doesn't seem like yout tweaks really did much? Or am I missing it?
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PostPosted: Aug 02, 2004 11:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havnent done any real hacking of xchat on my workstation, infact this is pretty much right outa the box, with a few exceptions your right. But when compared to many other clients in their default state XChat is generally rather under rated IMO. Take for example and compare with http://m4rc.ath.cx/mIRC/mymirc02-10-01.png ( just randomly found this on google )


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PostPosted: Aug 03, 2004 12:27am    Post subject: Reply with quote

codemastr wrote:

My personal favorite is Klient www.klient.com it has just about all the same features mIRC has, but I like the way it looks, and the way it works much better.


Isnt Klient 30day trial then stops working unless you pay?
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PostPosted: Aug 03, 2004 10:31am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isnt Klient 30day trial then stops working unless you pay?

Yes, what's your point? You must pay for mIRC after 30 days too. Just because it doesn't force you to stop using it doesn't make it any less-illegal.

Good software is always worth paying for. I never quite understand, as a developer myself, why people seem to expect that programmers should have to invest thousands of dollars, hundreds of hours, and then get nothing in return. I know for a fact that just last week, the author of Klient spent over $600 on things to help improve Klient. Why should he have to pay that out of his own pocket?
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PostPosted: Aug 04, 2004 12:26am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hm. Mr. codemaster with all fangs out....

It wasnt why klient is a trialware at all, I just remembered it. and aye, klient is a good client and probably worth paying for.

I just find xchat better, and its not a disadvantage that its free :p
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PostPosted: Aug 04, 2004 9:58am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It wasnt why klient is a trialware at all, I just remembered it. and aye, klient is a good client and probably worth paying for.

I just find xchat better, and its not a disadvantage that its free :p

I'm not saying all good clients cost money and all the free ones are bad.

It just bothers me that the biggest criticism of Klient is that you have to pay for it, while "mIRC is free." I see that all the time. I'm merely pointing out that mIRC is not free. People just seem to think it is because mIRC doesn't become crippleware after the trial period. But, it's still illegal if you continue to use it past 30 days, regardless of whether it makes you pay for it.
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PostPosted: Aug 05, 2004 5:47pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I wonder what would happen if Khaled DID make it stop working after the 30 days... I'm betting the usage of mIRC would drop quite a bit.
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PostPosted: Aug 06, 2004 12:57am    Post subject: Reply with quote

people just wouldnt update, or "cracks" would become more common.... people seem unable to pay for stuff they use every single day... :)

*cough* windows *cough* :)
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PostPosted: Aug 06, 2004 3:19pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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people just wouldnt update

That is doubtful. For example, I had originally said I was gonna stick with mIRC 6.03. Then there was a DCC exploit. Within 2 days, my mIRC was crashed over 20 times. That was the end of that idea. If Khaled did want to make mIRC crippleware, he'd be smart to do it either in a version that fixes a big bug (not exactly a nice thing to do) or on a version that adds a bunch of new features. This way, the choice of not upgrading disappears. The choices are now stop using mIRC, or pay to upgrade.

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or "cracks" would become more common

Also doubtful. Most people are willing to pay for software. However, most people don't read the EULA. They don't realize they need to pay for mIRC. They see it as a "donation" not a "payment." If mIRC made it a requirement, you'd see two things. Registrations increase, but total number of users would drop dramatically. Plus, cracks are preventable. It's a game of cat and mouse. You just hide things to cause the program to behave erradically all over the place. Chances are, the cracker will miss some (if not most) of these. Then you alter the locations of these pieces with each release. Plus you hide the code in places the cracker would not think to look. For example, mIRC runs just perfectly, however, if you add an ON NOTIFY event, suddenly mIRC begins to freeze. So if the cracker didn't have an ON NOTIFY in his script, he would never have found this problem. If you do that, cracking the program becomes very difficult. It's no longer a 5 minute job, it's now something you might have to spend weeks on. And, if it's a program that has frequent releases, say one ever 2 months, well then by the time they finished cracking v1.0, v1.1 is already out!
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