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Nibraz
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 Posted: Jul 01, 2004 8:29am Post subject: Need Help |
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| Hi i have a irc server and i i want to know when i am online 24 hours does this effect my computer does cost trouble for my pc i have win xp. |
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w00t
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Location: Nowra, Australia
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| Posted: Jul 02, 2004 12:04am Post subject: |
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I would just say "Oh dear" and let this drop, but instead I will answer the question.
1) It is generally a bad idea to be running an IRC server off windows.
2) Depending on what internet connection you are running it off, you may notice some lag.
3) Hardware wise, you shouldnt notice problems. But what if it catches fire and burns the house down when you are at work, etc.
In general, it's better to learn, and go use a shell or something. |
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Julia
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Joined: 30 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Jul 03, 2004 7:08am Post subject: |
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Windows is not capable to run high performance network services.
Even Windows NT at my look. You can run some kind of windows ircd
but it will be useful for a small circle of friends or testing only.
If you have serious plans to run a network - get a Unix shell. |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Jul 03, 2004 7:48am Post subject: |
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| Julia wrote: | Windows is not capable to run high performance network services.Even Windows NT at my look. You can run some kind of windows ircd
but it will be useful for a small circle of friends or testing only.
If you have serious plans to run a network - get a Unix shell.
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There is a network and I wish I could remember the name .. it runs Webmaster's Conference Room. It's all windows servers ... they have thousands of users. I'd count that as "serious" and more than a "small circle of friends" so YES you CAN have a good size Windows IRCd network. However, you are correct in stating that Unix based environment is better. |
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hooiz
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| Posted: Jul 03, 2004 11:27am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There is a network and I wish I could remember the name .. it runs Webmaster's Conference Room. It's all windows servers ... they have thousands of users. |
are you referring to webchat.org? i believe they used to run under the webmaster.com domain in the past. i'm not for sure. but i think one of the main purposes of the network was to showcase conference room.
i remember back in 1999 or so they were very stable, offered hostmasking, and hid most users data.
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DarkStorms
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| Posted: Jul 03, 2004 1:42pm Post subject: |
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I agree with w00t and the others,
its generally not a good idea to run an IRC net on windows 1, because windows is unstable for the most part, crashes alot and such if you dont have the proper hardware to keep it up to speed, 2 windows can have major security problems, and services and such dont run great on windows, my network runs on a linux server, if you want to check it out, or need ideas on hosting and such, i have some friends who can help you! I dont check the searchirc forums as much as I did when i first registered because ive been keeping care of my network, but if you need help connect to darkstorms net, and come ask for Aaron! /server -m darkstorms.ath.cx 6660 |
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Julia
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| Posted: Jul 11, 2004 11:52am Post subject: |
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agree with DarkStorms. WebChat is an exclusion, they made it with windows machines, but there are some good sites that run MS IIS as webservers.
Windows NT can make it, but prepare for possible troubles.
Remember the old MS.Blaster worm (DCOM hole) - WebChat been down that time for a week. Unix is better, though 99,99% of ircd's are aimed on POSIX/UNIX |
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Jul 11, 2004 12:05pm Post subject: |
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| hooiz wrote: | | Quote: | | There is a network and I wish I could remember the name .. it runs Webmaster's Conference Room. It's all windows servers ... they have thousands of users. |
are you referring to webchat.org? i believe they used to run under the webmaster.com domain in the past. i'm not for sure. but i think one of the main purposes of the network was to showcase conference room.
i remember back in 1999 or so they were very stable, offered hostmasking, and hid most users data.
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Perhaps, it has been awhile .. and 1999 sounds about right.
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WebChat is an exclusion, they made it with windows machines.
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How are they an exclusion? .. M$ didn't code them any special packs to make them more stable than anyone else. They use stock Service PAcks on Stock Windows boxes.
Uptime: I've run LDAP servers on NT4 boxes in the past that have uptimes that match alot of the linux boxes I've run.
RE: exploits ... *ALL* OS's have them .. what's your point? So what if Windows exploits are heard of more often? .. That's because there are ALOT more windows users!
I'm sure that if there were the same number of Linux users as there are Windows users you'd find that they are alot of exploits in Linux as well .. just as many holes .. just as many exploits ... just as many viruses.
Same for Mac.
I still agree that a Unix based platform is better for hosting servers but I think alot of people should quit discounting Windows so much .. I constantly see Windows does X and use Linux ... well Linux isn't anywhere close to perfect either! In fact I dislike Linux more than I do Windows .. but that's another story. |
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ed
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Joined: 25 May 2003
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Location: Baton Rouge, LA
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| Posted: Jul 11, 2004 1:44pm Post subject: |
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| Correction, name one Mac OS X virus. |
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katsklaw
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ed
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katsklaw
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| Posted: Jul 11, 2004 3:23pm Post subject: Re: OT |
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Even so ... it is an OS ... an OS based on another OS at that .. it can have viruses. OS X was also created by imperfect beings .. which means it's just a matter of time.
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Finally, yes, there's always the possibility of a nasty OS X virus someday--that's why Apple includes Virex with their .Mac accounts, and that's why the company issues the occasional security update. OS X is not 100% immune to nasty problems (as anyone who lost their hard drive during the iTunes 2 debacle can tell you). No operating system is.
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IMO, all the boasting Inet wide is asking for trouble ... saying your hack proof is a sure fire way to get hacked. |
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Julia
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| Posted: Jul 11, 2004 5:03pm Post subject: |
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Are we going to talk about viruses on various platforms?
By definition viruses are possible on ANY Platform that runs the code from files.
On unix its just harder to make system "infected" because of better privileges regulations and restrictions, but if malicious code will run as root - there is no limit for any system. Unix viruses may come in SOURCE and in BINARY packages, so make sure you check MD5 and PGP before installing packages (not 100% warranty anyways). There are viruses for Mac, UNIX, Java, even pure HTML viruses... anything at all 
Policies vary depending on openness of the platform, Unix is open and its easy for bughunters to find something and publish a fix. Microsoft code is closed but even with that there are bugs, exploits etc etc.. Its harder to submit them and fix because security@microsoft.com isnt much friendly to reports (dont discuss this - there is evidence of ignorance and not only for MS, also for Apple)
Also nobody can say "Windows is 100% bad and incapable of running any servers" there always are exclusions and tries to make it even.. on DOS  |
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