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CaveGuy
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 Posted: May 16, 2004 12:29pm Post subject: Dropped channel abuse & channel chaseing cure? |
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This is something I posted on DALnet's services email list. Thought I could get some good comments about it from users of this forum:
Subject: End to channel chaseing
Channels that have dropped and still have chatters joining without any
OPerators are easy targets for abuse.
People looking to abuse others verbally and channel chasers currently have a
field day in these channels. They also represent a problem for staff, and
help channels having to deal with the request for help.
There is a solution:
If when the channel expires and there are chatters in it, chanserv does
mkick.
When people rejoin, only the old ops get to keep ops. The first to register,
has the channel.
This is a fair solution to the problem. Anything even close to being fair
would involve staff taking the time to review the situation, deciding what
should be done. Maybe giving the channel to a SOP or AOP. That would be a
tedious task. The mkick method I propose could be automated. Thus freeing up
staff and helpers for more important matters, and solving a big abuse
problem.
CaveGuy
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uchat
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| Posted: May 16, 2004 2:55pm Post subject: |
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It would make more sence to code services so that the SOP that has been on the SOP list the longest becomes founder if a co-founder is not specified.
I know for a fact that on DALnet, a channel is dropped if the founder nick expires, by request of the founder or if there is no channel ops that have visited the channel within the expiration time.
If the founder nick expires then IMO the co-founder or the oldest SOP entry should become founder, any other case is just too bad, so sad.
I've never heard of what you describe as a problem on any IRC net and since I've been an IRCop/Admin for nearly a decade on a number of networks including DALnet, if it was a real problem, I'm sure I would have heard of it.
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People looking to abuse others verbally and channel chasers currently have a field day in these channels.
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try the /ignore command or chat elsewhere.
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They also represent a problem for staff, and help channels having to deal with the request for help.
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How is it a problem? On most respectable nets, channel business is just that ... channel business. IRCops shouldn't interfere. As a Helper there isn't anything you can do either. |
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CaveGuy
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| Posted: May 16, 2004 3:15pm Post subject: |
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How is it a problem? On most respectable nets, channel business is just that ... channel business. IRCops shouldn't interfere. As a Helper therer isn't anything you can do either. |
Becomes a Network problem when the channel chasers flood the channel trying to clear everone out. Verbal is from lamers getting a kick out of a channels with no OPs to ban them. I don't know why people stay in channels with no OPs or organization. Your right, nothing for a helper, or even staff to do in case of verbal abuse. |
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uchat
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| Posted: May 16, 2004 3:37pm Post subject: |
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| once it's network problem the network staff should handle it as per their network policy. However, a mkick should never be an automatic process. |
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Ashen
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| Posted: May 16, 2004 11:31pm Post subject: |
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How about, when a channel is dropped due to nick expiry, the channel foundership simply passes to the user with the highest level on the access list? In case of a tie, where two people have the same level, the person who was added first gets the foundership.
No need for masskicks, drops, or anything like that.
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uchat
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| Posted: May 17, 2004 10:29am Post subject: |
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I think I suggested that  |
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Howard
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| Posted: May 17, 2004 8:19pm Post subject: |
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| Ashen wrote: | How about, when a channel is dropped due to nick expiry, the channel foundership simply passes to the user with the highest level on the access list? In case of a tie, where two people have the same level, the person who was added first gets the foundership.
No need for masskicks, drops, or anything like that.
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The mechanism is already in place for a founder to designate a successor to take ownership if the founder nick expires. Set Successor, and is implemented in a few services packages. |
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uchat
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| Posted: May 18, 2004 9:22pm Post subject: |
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The problem is as you stated ... in a few Services packages ... not all or even most ... secondly, what if a successor isn't specified? ... what then?
That's when ChanServ would award the channel to the oldest SOP entry. |
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