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Cobi
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 Posted: Apr 05, 2004 1:52pm Post subject: network looking for servers |
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| network looking for servers... remember you will link to us we wont link to another network... if your intrested check out irc.winbots.co.uk |
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uchat
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| Posted: Apr 05, 2004 5:03pm Post subject: |
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| funny thing is that this is what everyone wants ... 'you link to me'. I've seen very few servers looking for networks .. it's always networks looking for servers and users ... |
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Ashen
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| Posted: Apr 17, 2004 8:12am Post subject: |
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This is because
1) the network which is linked to typically retains control of the network created.
2) It's very hard to find a good network to link to, to the point that most new server admins don't bother, they just set up their own very small network.
3) Most networks have stuch harsh linking requirements that no-one wants to link to them, and so, they're always seeking more links, while the servers that don't want to link to them end up becoming networks themselves and so the number of servers seeking networks drops, and the networks seeking servers increases ad infinitum.
In short, it's about control, and finding someone you like........ and good m atches are difficult to find. Hence, everyone tends over to the network side, because then, they know things will go their way, because they're in control.
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Cobi
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| Posted: Apr 18, 2004 3:12pm Post subject: hrm.... |
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| Ashen wrote: | This is because
1) the network which is linked to typically retains control of the network created.
2) It's very hard to find a good network to link to, to the point that most new server admins don't bother, they just set up their own very small network.
3) Most networks have stuch harsh linking requirements that no-one wants to link to them, and so, they're always seeking more links, while the servers that don't want to link to them end up becoming networks themselves and so the number of servers seeking networks drops, and the networks seeking servers increases ad infinitum.
In short, it's about control, and finding someone you like........ and good m atches are difficult to find. Hence, everyone tends over to the network side, because then, they know things will go their way, because they're in control.
-Ashen |
In response to #3:
| Cobi wrote: | what you will get:
3 Netadmin flags(one for your self and two other netadmin of your choice(must be approved by me))
up to 10 locops
each netadmin will get:
SRA Status on the kickchat services
What you need:
UnrealIRCd
3 ULines:
kick.winbots.co.uk
neostats.winbots.co.uk
floodworld.winbots.co.uk
3 cloak keys:
i will tell you when you get ready to link
1 netadmin flag for me on your server
2 open ports:
6667
and one of your choice
1 link line like this:
| Code: | link irc.winbots.co.uk
{
username *;
hostname *;
bind-ip *;
port <your choice port here>;
hub *;
password-connect "******";
password-receive "******";
class servers;
options {
};
};
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The following aliases:
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/* Standard aliases */
alias AdminServ { type services; };
alias Agent { type services; };
alias BotServ { type services; };
alias ChanServ { type services; };
alias Global { type services; };
alias Cobi { type services; };
alias HelpServ { type services; };
alias HostServ { type services; };
alias LoveServ { type services; };
alias MassServ { type services; };
alias MemoServ { type services; };
alias MoraleServ { type services; };
alias NeoStats { type services; };
alias NickServ { type services; };
alias OperServ { type services; };
alias opsb { type services; };
alias RootServ { type services; };
alias SecureServ { type services; };
alias SpamServ { type services; };
alias StatServ { type stats; };
alias StupidServ { type services; };
alias W { type services; };
alias WebServ { type services; };
alias X { type services; };
alias AIMServ { type services; };
alias BanServ { type services; };
alias ConnectServ { type services; };
alias floodworld { type services; };
alias BS { nick "BotServ"; type services; };
alias AS { nick "AdminServ"; type services; };
alias CS { nick "ChanServ"; type services; };
alias Owner { nick "Cobi"; type services; };
alias HS { nick "HelpServ"; type services; };
alias HOS { nick "HostServ"; type services; };
alias LS { nick "LoveServ"; type services; };
alias MAS { nick "MassServ"; type services; };
alias MS { nick "MemoServ"; type services; };
alias MOS { nick "MoraleServ"; type services; };
alias NEOS { nick "NeoStats"; type services; };
alias NS { nick "NickServ"; type services; };
alias OS { nick "OperServ"; type services; };
alias RS { nick "RootServ"; type services; };
alias SES { nick "SecureServ"; type services; };
alias SPS { nick "SpamServ"; type services; };
alias SS { nick "StatServ"; type services; };
alias STS { nick "StupidServ"; type services; };
alias WS { nick "WebServ"; type services; };
alias FW { nick "floodworld"; type services; };
alias BAS { nick "BanServ"; type services; };
alias COS { nick "ConnectServ"; type services; };
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and a services and stats line in the set {} block:
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services-server "kick.winbots.co.uk";
stats-server "neostats.winbots.co.uk";
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Server irc.winbots.co.uk channel #winbots for more info |
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uchat
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| Posted: Apr 18, 2004 3:36pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 1 netadmin flag for me on your server |
Absolutely not! You have your own server! Therefore you don't need access to mine and Vise versa.
| Quote: | In short, it's about control, and finding someone you like........ and good m atches are difficult to find. Hence, everyone tends over to the network side, because then, they know things will go their way, because they're in control.
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well said. |
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Cobi
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| Posted: Apr 18, 2004 4:08pm Post subject: ... |
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| ... if it splits and you are not online... it would be nice if i could sign on to your server and relink it.... |
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uchat
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| Posted: Apr 18, 2004 5:23pm Post subject: |
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you don't need to be on my server to re-connect it and you most certainly don't need to be an net admin to do it.
Per RFC 1459:
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/connect <remote-server> <port> <connecting-server>
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Also I do believe that all IRCd's have an auto-connect ability. |
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DeMiNe0
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| Posted: Apr 30, 2004 6:34am Post subject: |
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| thats why i use remote includes. You should have enough knowlege on using them since you were linked with me. |
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Cobi
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| Posted: Apr 30, 2004 11:29am Post subject: lol |
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| lol yeah you mostly completely take over the config file... |
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DeMiNe0
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| Posted: Apr 30, 2004 11:34am Post subject: |
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| yup, my way though allows you to still have control over what go's on in your config though. |
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Ashen
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Imho, if a network isn't going to let its server admins decide what goes into their own config files, it should just remove the position/title of "server admin" altogether, and call the owners of servers which link to it "sponsors", "donators" or something similar to emphasise the fact they are giving away something, and no longer have rights to it after giving it away.
I'm not saying anything about the merits of the remotely set config file idea, I'd just like netadmins/etc to be honest about how little rights to their own server they give new server admins, if they're going to be using this system.
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DeMiNe0
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| Posted: May 01, 2004 1:38pm Post subject: |
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| Ashen wrote: | Imho, if a network isn't going to let its server admins decide what goes into their own config files, it should just remove the position/title of "server admin" altogether, and call the owners of servers which link to it "sponsors", "donators" or something similar to emphasise the fact they are giving away something, and no longer have rights to it after giving it away.
I'm not saying anything about the merits of the remotely set config file idea, I'd just like netadmins/etc to be honest about how little rights to their own server they give new server admins, if they're going to be using this system.
-Ashen |
You can still decide what go's into your config file. You can add and remove parts even. The remote includes though is just an easy way to add, lets say a Ulline to every server. |
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uchat
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| Posted: May 01, 2004 4:01pm Post subject: |
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or an O:Line on someone else's server while they're asleep.
I was partial to the remote includes idea not too long ago, however it seems that after careful thought, I'm finding that I'm not that fond of it. |
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Ashen
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| Posted: May 01, 2004 4:04pm Post subject: |
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why would you ever want to add a U:line to everyone's server without their knowing?
U:lines are only needed for services servers, or other servers that have a large ammount of power on the network. They also don't change often...... very rarely do a network's U:lines change.
I find it hard to justify needing shell access to parts of the config simply to change U:lines......that doesn't look like a situation that would ever come up to me.
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DeMiNe0
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| Posted: May 01, 2004 4:11pm Post subject: |
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it has come up a few times for me. I am a developer on many services, and am offten changing ulines around.
there would also be no point in putting an oline on somone else server... You would have the same if not more power on your server with the same oline. |
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